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Title: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 07, 2010, 08:28:00 AM
Here's an early version of another of my animal series.
Lots to improve and develop such as grass, ground cover etc., but quite decent so far.
Is the mist too low? should it be more spread out or just higher?

C&C welcome.

trees -Xfrog
elephants - 3daz
ferns - unknown (but free for non commercial use)
grass - Mr_Lamppost via Ashundar (I think)
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: domdib on May 07, 2010, 08:47:07 AM
I like the background trees. Are ferns typical ground cover in this kind of forest? Also, it's good that you have the shadow patterns in the mist, but they seem too regular. Not sure how you fix that.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: kasalin on May 07, 2010, 09:53:31 AM
wonderful.... i find it perfect !!!! super with these elephants !!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: dandelO on May 07, 2010, 09:59:30 AM
Wow, I love this already! Really cool. I'd only thin the mist, maybe by about half density and make the layer taller, it's quite an abrupt cut-off. Can the elephant textures be sharpened any? A wee bit blurry at such close range.

Really great, though! :)
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Henry Blewer on May 07, 2010, 10:57:47 AM
The pictures make me nervous. Elephants are too large! Great render, Martin's suggestions are good.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 07, 2010, 01:15:19 PM
Thanks for the comments. I agree the mist is too thick and "clumpy" and I think it needs to be higher. As for the skin textures, yes I'll increase the bump map effect and darken them maybe to be less blurred.
Oh and ferns do cover these forest areas ;D they're one of the earliest and most ubiquitous plants and are found all over the world (but I might change them!). Anyone know what the big shiney green leaves are that you see in jungles?
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: dandelO on May 07, 2010, 01:27:11 PM
QuoteAnyone know what the big shiney green leaves are that you see in jungles?

Plants? :D

Only kidding, I've no idea what the plants are. Sorry, that was just too good to resist!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 07, 2010, 02:20:52 PM
Quote from: dandelO on May 07, 2010, 01:27:11 PM
QuoteAnyone know what the big shiney green leaves are that you see in jungles?

Plants? :D

Only kidding, I've no idea what the plants are. Sorry, that was just too good to resist!

best laugh I've had all day! :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: MGebhart on May 07, 2010, 04:19:27 PM
SWEET! Just a tad more displcement on the Elephants if you are going to render it again.

Good job.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (update)
Post by: Kevin F on May 10, 2010, 03:08:51 AM
here's the latest version. more definition on the skin textures, less dense mist and higher up, and slight POV change. oh and some water!
Now if I could just get the middle one to spray some water!
C&C welcome
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: inkydigit on May 10, 2010, 05:21:07 AM
looking excellent Kevin...what about banana plant?...they have nice big shiny leaves?
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Henry Blewer on May 10, 2010, 07:58:36 AM
I really like the sunbeams. The elephants look better also. 8)
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 18, 2010, 03:02:45 AM
Here's an update (but no mist).
This one has an improved skin texture for the elephants and slightly different POV with soft shadows enabled.
I gave up waiting for a mist version due to soft shadows AND raytraced mist shadows together taking so long (only half rendered after 20 hrs or so then a power cut!)
C&C welcome.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: domdib on May 18, 2010, 04:57:02 AM
A pity about the mist, but the light through the trees is gorgeous. Nice work!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Henry Blewer on May 18, 2010, 07:40:11 AM
Great looking elephants. Sorry about the power difficulty.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: MGebhart on May 18, 2010, 09:07:42 AM
The displacement on the animals is much, much better.

Excellent!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Seth on May 18, 2010, 10:53:46 AM
the elephants look great !
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Oshyan on May 19, 2010, 01:46:36 AM
The elephants look excellent now, I agree. May I make an experimental suggestion? You don't seem to have any terrain in the scene so this might be a good time to try Raytrace Everything. I suggest putting AA at 5 or 6, atmosphere samples at 32-64 (maybe 48 is a good value to try), and cloud quality to 1 (whatever the sample levels this gives you). Then render 0.5 detail with Raytrace Everything and see how fast it progresses compared to previous. It *should* be a good deal faster, though I don't know your original settings so it might not be the same quality. I'd have to do some crop render tests with the scene to fine tune the settings fully. But I do think it's a good candidate for Raytrace Everything.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 19, 2010, 03:16:03 AM
Hi Oshyan, I presume you mean with soft shadows and raytraced shadows on the mist (cloud)?
I'll give it a go and get back.
Thanks for the input guys, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 19, 2010, 03:07:43 PM
O.K.
here's the version as suggested by Oshyan. It certainly reduced the time - down from 20hrs for less than 50% to 9.5 hrs finished.
The quality values were lower than the original:
detail .5 down from .7
AA 5 down from 7 but overall it's hard to tell the difference.
Tempted to try one more  with higher "mist" cloud values.
Thanks Oshyan, good example of when to use raytrace everything.
C&C welcome.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: domdib on May 19, 2010, 03:40:14 PM
By jingo that mist looks good!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Oshyan on May 20, 2010, 02:16:35 AM
Looks good! Glad to hear the render time came down. Now here's the trick to improving quality while using Raytrace Everything: increase AA, not cloud or atmosphere samples. You can do either one actually, but increasing AA will increase overall quality, reducing noise everywhere, so it's generally of benefit. But for my eyes this looks great as-is (though I actually liked the "mist clinging to the ground" look of earlier versions).

- Oshyan
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: dandelO on May 20, 2010, 01:48:30 PM
Very nice, Kevin! The big one(Daddy?) has a 'Don't mess with me and mine!' look in his eyes! He's going to trample me!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: choronr on May 21, 2010, 06:25:45 PM
Can almost hear the trumpeting of those beautiful animals - and, in all, the best of your renders!
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Kevin F on May 23, 2010, 02:12:50 PM
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: Eikers on May 27, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
Oh wow, this is kind of disturbing. I feel like I'm trying to hide in the grass after beeing spotted by those three hoodloom elephants. Now they're figuring out the best way to trash me...

Really nice work.
Title: Re: Elephants in the mist (wip)
Post by: inkydigit on May 28, 2010, 04:36:09 AM
superb scene, Kevin,great results!