New computer

Viktim · December 30, 2009, 12:10:44 PM

Hi again:)

I will soon have a new computer but i do not know if i have choose the right components. I was looking into Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 2000MHz 6GB(wich boosted the price very much...) but do i really need a memory that fast? the main purpose will be video editing but also a lot of terragen:D

this is the components i have choose so far:

http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=440916 - motherboard
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=391447 - processor
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=448682 - memory
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=489734 - graphic card
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=461645 - chassis?
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=482849 - power supply
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=487793 - harddrive

neuspadrin · December 30, 2009, 01:40:25 PM

I would prob go for a 1333 timing ram to make it a bit cheaper, but yeh more speed is generally good always

looks cool though.

cyphyr · December 30, 2009, 02:05:46 PM

I noticed your going for the Intel Core™ i7 920 Quad Processor, check with your supplier that your getting one that has D0 Stepping, this will allow you to take its speed from the stock 2.66Ghz to over 4Ghz should you wish. You wont need any fancy cooling, just a good fan, but if you want to go the water cooled rout you can. Its one of the best overclockable and most stable chips built to date.

Richard

Viktim · December 30, 2009, 02:13:26 PM

Quote from: cyphyr on December 30, 2009, 02:05:46 PM
I noticed your going for the Intel Core™ i7 920 Quad Processor, check with your supplier that your getting one that has D0 Stepping, this will allow you to take its speed from the stock 2.66Ghz to over 4Ghz should you wish. You wont need any fancy cooling, just a good fan, but if you want to go the water cooled rout you can. Its one of the best overclockable and most stable chips built to date.

Richard

You really sure you dont need a VERY good cooling system when overklocking to 4ghz:P? if i do that i will 4sure buy water cooling.

cyphyr · December 30, 2009, 02:24:13 PM

Usually yes but not with the D0 stepping processor, as long as its properly built, good thermal contact and good air flow you should be ok. You don't have to go all the way to 4Ghz (some have gone further) you could stay down at 3Ghz or 3.5Ghz, still an awesome improvement.

If you were to go the water cooled route there's a very simple kit sold by the same guys for £60 that dose all you need.
These guys also do Mobo/Processor/Water-Cooling/Ram kits, just add your own Case, graphics and Disk drives

Let us know how it works out
Richard

Viktim · December 30, 2009, 04:13:04 PM

First i was considering buying i7-950 but i dont think the improvement is worth the money. A cool thing with the corsair memory is that it comes with a fan, have never seen ram cooling before.

Viktim · December 30, 2009, 07:12:27 PM

Quote from: cyphyr on December 30, 2009, 02:24:13 PM
If you were to go the water cooled route there's a very simple kit sold by the same guys for £60 that dose all you need.
These guys also do Mobo/Processor/Water-Cooling/Ram kits, just add your own Case, graphics and Disk drives
Let us know how it works out
Richard

That one looks so small, where is the pump? btw i have chose a SSD hard drive(wich apparently is the fastest) to my system. But is there a big difference between SSD and a regular raptor 10000rpm disc?

Kadri · December 30, 2009, 08:32:41 PM

If i recall correctly not only the 10 000 ones , the 15 000 HD are too in trouble with this SSD's .
The main problem is price and amount of space on SSD .
Even Raid 0 isn't fast enough to uphold with SSD .
If you put your working files (temp folder and such) on SSD you will see a serious difference in speed.

Edit : But not all SSD's are the same speed you know...

Kadri.

Oshyan · December 31, 2009, 12:53:52 AM

Yes, be careful with SSDs, some are not much faster, or even slower than the fastest hard drives.

Also memory speed will not make much difference for TG2 rendering, but maybe for video editing.

- Oshyan

Viktim · December 31, 2009, 06:17:20 AM

hmm now i really dont know if i should go for SSD or a 10000rpm disc. I can get a 300gb hd for the price of the SSD disc.

Also, if i choose a SSD. Should i use it as a location for the operating system and programs or should i for example have video footage on it. Its only 64gb:S

Kadri · December 31, 2009, 08:19:24 AM

Quote from: Viktim on December 31, 2009, 06:17:20 AM
hmm now i really dont know if i should go for SSD or a 10000rpm disc. I can get a 300gb hd for the price of the SSD disc.

Also, if i choose a SSD. Should i use it as a location for the operating system and programs or should i for example have video footage on it. Its only 64gb:S

This is a new article. There are other articles and knowledge in the forums.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html

Kadri.

Viktim · December 31, 2009, 08:38:54 AM

Quote from: Kadri on December 31, 2009, 08:19:24 AM

This is a new article. There are other articles and knowledge in the forums.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-ssd-performance,2518.html

Kadri.

Thanks for the link:)

Kadri · December 31, 2009, 10:08:29 AM

cyphyr · December 31, 2009, 10:16:48 AM

Ultimately I guess it all depends on what you want the computer for.

SSD's are cool (and fast) but they wont do much other than load your system a bit faster; the same will be true for your files, they'll load a bit faster.
The same is true for RAM, the amount of difference very fast RAM makes is minimal practically speaking, it will knock a few seconds off file loading operations but make almost no difference to file manipulation operations. Having enough RAM is important so that your not using the hard disk swap file for very large files. I would always recommend having as much ram as your mobo/operating system can handle.

For Terragen what will make the greatest difference is the raw processing power. More cores (there is a limit practically speaking at 8 I think) and more Ghz (no limit there as far as I know) will make the most obvious difference. Double the processing power and your scene will render twice as fast (or thereabouts

)

A fancy Graphics card will make little difference to Terragen although if you use some other 3D graphics packages (such as Maya, 3DS Max etc) they do take advantage of GPS processing.

Hope that helps

Richard

ps the water cooler I linked to is indeed as small as it looks, they're much more efficient than they used to be.

Tangled-Universe · December 31, 2009, 10:26:27 AM

Quote from: cyphyr on December 31, 2009, 10:16:48 AM
SSD's are cool (and fast) but they wont do much other than load your system a bit faster; the same will be true for your files, they'll load a bit faster.

I agree with you about raw processing power and RAM, but I've seen some footage and articles which clearly stated that SSD's are MUCH faster when it comes to starting up your system and starting up software, also than a 10k rpm drive.
When it comes to swapping files and lots of I/O operations it still behind on conventional harddisks, especially on those faster models.