The Forever Tree

Started by Upon Infinity, August 25, 2012, 03:37:23 PM

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Upon Infinity

Simple, conceptual.

choronr

Nice concept. Add some drama; maybe some clouds that put some rays down over the tree.


Wurby

Beautiful lighting. water looks a touch too cement-like.
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Zairyn Arsyn

very nice. effective. simple. fantastic  :)

render it a little bigger.

what model is that?

excellent work on the atmosphere & clouds btw.
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TheBadger

I believe the clouds are a photo, not procedural.

Excellent application of your testing to a final image, infinity.

There seems to be some noise. did you add noise to match one part with another. Or is this a render setting issue?
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Upon Infinity

Wurby:  The water effect I was going for was a calm look with only a few ripples.  I don't usually use water in my scenes so I wasn't able to achieve the effect I really wanted.  Probably modify it with a node, but I'm still learning how to use 'em.

Zaii: The model is a Japanese Walnut from Xfrog.

Badger:  Yes, the clouds are a photograph, using the technique developed earlier this week.  The noise, I'm not sure where it's coming from.  I think it's the photo itself, is a little grainy, and then gets exacerbated when compressed to .jpeg.

Upon Infinity

I also created this one with stars that is arguably better suited.

Upon Infinity

In the end, I think'll settle with this one.  It might be good enough for a logo.

TheBadger

Yes, the Last one is great!

On the issue of noise in image 1. I think that is an example of where noise works. It does look more organic. But that could just be aesthetics.
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Upon Infinity

Final image.  Better lighting and placement.

PCook

Putting all the technical aside, what story are you attempting to tell with this composition?
-Pat

Upon Infinity

Quote from: PCook on August 26, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Putting all the technical aside, what story are you attempting to tell with this composition?
-Pat

I don't know if I'm trying to tell any kind of story with it.  Mostly, I'm just playing around and testing techniques, and colours, and ideas for an actual, much, much larger project I'm working on.  Then it just so happened I stumbled across a certain group of objects and effects that kind of came together nicely.  Also, I like simple, abstract ideas.

Why, no good?

PCook

Start with what you intend to say with an image. Your meaning. That will guide your composition. The composition is the layout, colors, lighting, element positions, etc. Once you have your composition, you can refine your image technically.

Asking about your image's story (its meaning) is not in any way judging the image. I asked because you started with a much brighter lit scene and ended with a much darker one. That got me asking what you were shooting for - the two images are worlds apart in terms of meaning to the viewer.

What's interesing is that in both cases your image breaks compositional rules, such as placing the primary object in the center, assuming the primary object is the tree. Your image also visually buries the primary subject (assuming that's the tree) with clouds and water. It's hard for the viewer to understand the image. Is it about the tree, or the clouds, or the water? Usually you don't want the viewer to be distressed (but you may indeed want that).

When you have a meaning in your own mind, you are much less likley to create compositions that have elements competing for the space (the tree, clouds and water in your case), which is confusing for the viewer. You want a person to view your image and "just get it" without working at it. For example, a viewer might be reminded of being isolated. Another might be reminded of being bathed in love. (the darker image changes the meaning considerably) But you want to try to guide the viewer to understand the image as you understand it. If you know what you're trying to say with the image, your "story", it's much more likley that your viewers will as well because you will tend to design to your own meaning. Then the technical can be addressed. I call it the "meaning-to-composition-to-technical" route.

By the way, I wouldn't have taken the time to comment on your image tonight if it weren't as striking as it is (the first one). Your image is approaching fine art.

-Pat

Upon Infinity

Yes, I think I see what you're saying.  I perfectly understand the desire to start with an idea and then flesh it out.  However, I've discovered on many occasions that, during the course of work, I will stumble across an idea for something else completely different, as was the case here.  First, I had made something similar to what my first image was (only as a test).  And then I had a thought of making the lake so reflective you couldn't really tell where the sky ended and the water began.  And, before you know it, I had the making of a decent image.  And then I did a few more tests, and came up with the dark version.  Sometimes, I don't always start with idea.  Sometimes, an idea will come as I go along and then I'll chase that idea to its natural conclusion.   Many times when I go shooting photography, I might not always get what I want or expect, but I'll almost always come back with something.

Both versions, light and dark, are viable, and both have (or can have) very different meanings.  As always, I leave the final interpretation to the viewer.  But, ultimately, what these were about, is testing how my skies look against the tree models I'm going to be using for my project, as that project will demand many instances of both light and dark skies against similar looking models.  In most cases for thse scenes, there will be a pre-conceived story that I will be telling.  This whole affair was just a fun distraction.

Yes, I know my 'final image' doesn't really fit the title of "The Forever Tree' as much as the first image did, at is it more crowded in, almost threatening to be choked out of existence by the dark clouds around it.  Perhaps, 'The Lonely Tree' or something similar might be a better name for the darker image.

Hopefully that answers your question.