What video? More bullshit?

Started by TheBadger, September 13, 2012, 08:03:15 PM

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TheBadger

Hi,
Probably you have all heard that people are going crazy in the middle east about some video. But I have not heard a single news person say the name of the video or seen a single frame from the movie.

Is there even a movie or is this all just bullshit? I am starting to think the entire thing is made up.
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masonspappy

Nah, it's real. I caught most of it on Youtube last night. Just search on "Sam Bacile " (who supposedly made this piece of crap) and the video should be near the top of the list. It is a nonsensical, erratic mishmash of random or barely-related clips, bad acting, bad dubbing and no plot.

penang

The only bullshit in all these is how the American government has deserted the Freedom of Speech

No matter how bad the movie is, no matter how misleading the movie may be, no matter what, the spirit of freedom of speech MUST BE UPHELD

If you want to experience what kind of world it will be without the freedom of speech, go stay in North Korea, or Iran for a year, or two.

TheBadger

Ok thanks. I found something. Not really worth killing over I would say. Clearly it was made by idiots, and idiots are reacting to it.

Still, it was really strange hearing about it all day, but no one on TV said the name or explained any part of it. It was nearly orwellian.

The world really is filled with morons.
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masonspappy

I suspect that networks  didn't mention it for fear they would be  perceived as promoting anti-Islam. They have offices & personel in those areas and would be a prime target for rioters.

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matrix2003

The version I heard on the tube was that the film makers were duped and the final copy was over dubbed with inflammatory rhetoric. So.... well thought out anti US terrorism, veiled as American free speech. BOOM!  (it worked)
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TheBadger

Dubbed by anti islamists, or anti americans?^^?

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matrix2003

Islam. So the perception is its American propaganda, but in reality it's a crappy movie trailer that has been twisted to insult and inflame. 
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TheBadger

Thanks Matrix.

This is really some interesting and crazy stuff that going on. I don't mean the rioting and violence because thats everyday stuff. But the manipulation of events and politics of all this is right out of a novel or melodrama. Yes I am upset by certain things that are going on, but I cant do anything about anything. So I am just watching all of this like a movie or a spy novel. I am just wondering where all of this is going.

Also, in light of some other threads. I just want to say that the only reason I post on politics or other philosophical maters that have emotional effects on us. Is because I think by and large the people in this community are educated people with interesting views. I do not come here for the images only, but to hear from the people who make the images.

And just a quote from a movie I recently saw that fits perfectly here, "All art is political. If it is not, than it is only decoration and not art at all."
I think I got that correct. Does anyone know what film that is from? ;) Its a good flick!
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FrankB

Quote from: penang on September 13, 2012, 09:55:01 PM
The only bullshit in all these is how the American government has deserted the Freedom of Speech

No matter how bad the movie is, no matter how misleading the movie may be, no matter what, the spirit of freedom of speech MUST BE UPHELD

If you want to experience what kind of world it will be without the freedom of speech, go stay in North Korea, or Iran for a year, or two.

I don't agree with you often, if ever, but here I will admit you got a point.
Although one can argue that spreading hatred should be illegal, the question to me is at which point will it become censorship? And at which point will censorship affect our freedom? Would it be worth it, just for tending to some religious feelings, or are we better off with no barrier to free speech?

Today it was reported that a high sunni islamist had advised all muslims to react to the provocation from this film just like the prophet himself would have reacted: with calm and wisdom!
Sounds sensible to me, and doesn't require ro cut the rest of the world's right to freedom.

TheBadger

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Hi Frank!

Even in the US there are constitutional barriers to free speech. For example, it is a crime to yell fire in a public place if there is not an actual fire.
The legitimacy of limiting speech as in the example is obvious. But I think thats as simple as it can be.

As for me I am conflicted about all of this. I ask my self, do I care anymore if people in other countries are free? What is democracy if people vote for slavery? Is hate not a valid human emotion? And In some cases is it not moral and upright to hate? What is this hate thing people are talking about anyway?

The only thing I am sure of as I write this, is that this is not about censorship vs freedom. Censorship is not in and of its self an enemy of freedom as you questioned above. But rather the question for me is at what point does censorship compel one to acknowledge as valid what he believes to be invalid? So, does limiting ones ability to hate his enemy force him to submit to his enemy? If I am against allah, but I cannot say so, then does allah rule over me? It seems to me that if you are not free to hate something, than that thing that you hate has become your master.

I am also offended by the things that come out of LA. But I have this amazing ability to turn the channel. The people who get this upset by what someone else says about what they believe, are idiots. Their believes are week, and they are week. And I cannot bring my self to respect their feelings.

Sadly, it looks like the only reason anyone cares at all about offending muslims is because of FEAR! No one gets nervous when people insult Jesus. This is because no one is afraid of Christians. If people in the west were not afraid of Muslims they would care just as much as they do about offending Christians... Not at all.

As it happens, fear is also a normal human emotion.

Its been almost 2 weeks since this thread went up. I think its safe to say that the question marks in the topic header are no longer necessary. If anyone is offended by this feel free to google your nearest American Embacy, cause thats what google is for.  :o


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PabloMack

The movie is called "Innocence of Muslims" and you can see some of it here: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM>