PRISM

Started by TheBadger, June 07, 2013, 03:15:15 PM

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TheBadger

Dear friends.

To all of you "foreigners" who I have had internet contact with over the last 5 years. I want to say that I am sorry. Because I am an American and you are not. It seems that as a result of our contact you have been spied on, by the people claiming to be my government.

And to those of us who have expressed disquiet, and especially you who have expressed anti american government sentiments over the years, I am very very sorry.
Please take comfort in the knowledge, as I do, that death by drone missile is probably rather quick and painless.

Now I do not want to impose on anyone any religion. But because I believe that death (at least physical) by drone strike is probably a permanent condition, I want to encourage you all to contemplate the Truth. And all of the truly great questions in life, while you still can.

Also, to those of you who like to look at porn on your computers, especially the weird stuff. Its probably too late to erase your hard drives, but for Grandma's sake, try.
Hacked video from your webcams, of you playing with your selves will hurt her more than when they call you a terrorist on the nightly news... Old people are like that.

Never forget that all of this was for our own good. And that we asked for it. Because its the governments job to protect us, not ours.

And always remember that it was a leftist who did this to you. Also, remember that I told you so.

Good bye, and good luck.
It has been eaten.

cyphyr

LOL, I simply surprised it has taken so long.

PRISM has been about for years and evolved from something else (cobra? I forget). It would naive for anyone to expect their government or any other capable government to NOT snoop on their emails, phone calls and web usage given the chance. In fact the various security services would not be doing their job if this did not happen (not to imply that I approve). I guess the only thing that has really changed in recent years is the ability to do massive data mining exercises (for which you need massive amounts of data). Azimov was right!.

The answer is simple if you want it secret keep it off the web. Or converse in code .... "The bullfrogs have come early this year"

It's quite amusing watching the politicians, our defenders of freedom etc squirming however ...

Richard
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TheBadger

addendum
Re:
"Also, to those of you who like to look at porn on your computers, especially the weird stuff. Its probably too late to erase your hard drives, but for Grandma's sake, try.
Hacked video from your webcams, of you playing with your selves will hurt her more than when they call you a terrorist on the nightly news... Old people are like that
."

Should read
...especially the weird stuff, But really, if you think about it, is there anything better than two girls, a giraffe, petroleum jelly, and a pogo stick?..

That is all.
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masonspappy

Quote from: cyphyr on June 07, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

PRISM has been about for years and evolved from something else (cobra? I forget).


Maybe you're thinking of ECHELON??

AP

Oh, but it will not last. Rome eventually fell but now we have even a better opportunity here. Technology allows Government to be exposed for what they really are. Nothing can be kept secret anymore, even the Main Stream Media is beginning to see this, finally. More questions are being raised now. Even the Obama administration is under the spot light. Alternatives are being sought. Agorism is being known as a traveled word along the internet. The Statists who still support the system will be lost and left behind while the Liberty-lovers and Anarchists will continue to be recognized. There are no parties, there are just free human beings and there is the Tyranny of the State. Ask yourself do you want to be a free and independent human being living a non-aggressive life style voluntarily associating with your fellow man without force, fraud and coercion or are you going to be a blind wage-slave relying on the Government to protect you, steel someone else's money to give you, give you Health Care, bomb other nations and claim it is to keep us safe, take your Children away from you, force you to eat there GMO Foods and take there Big-Pharma Drugs. What will it be?

TheBadger

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Jefferson was a president too. What do you think he would say about all of this?

Dont forget that Obama ordered the murder of a 15 year old boy, an American citizen. And he was not asked even one question about it by the press.

I want to know who advised him, and I want them all impeached and thrown in prison. We will see them squirm then. I'll even give you bush if it makes you feel better.

Richard. What you said about it being their job is exactly the opposite by American law. Their first duty is to protect the Constitution, not life. The Constitution protects life. They have betrayed us all.

From the time I was little I listened to my grandfather scream in his sleep. He screamed until the day he died. All of my uncles are named for dead men. Men my Grandfather watched die.
They did not fight for my safety. No man is safe. Ever.
They fought for my liberty.

And Obama has betrayed them as well.

To hell with the king and all of his Jesters.
It has been eaten.

cyphyr

Quote from: TheBadger on June 08, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Jefferson was a president too. What do you think he would say about all of this?
Sorry but you'll have to explain that one and the edited Louis XVI image ... over my English head. ::) Which is at least still attached ... is that the message?

Quote from: TheBadger on June 08, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
Dont forget that Obama ordered the murder of a 15 year old boy, an American citizen. And he was not asked even one question about it by the press.
This ?? LINK  Shameful and disgusting.

I don't pretend to understand American law and we don't have any real equivalent to your constitution. (Common Law stands for little)
But my point still stands, what do we actually think security services (anybody's) with their vast budgets and access to the latest technology are actually going to do? Of course they're going to spy on us, their own citizenry, other governments and agencies, each other and their own citizens again. Maybe I'm just used to it here in the UK. We have the highest (by quite a large margin) level of CCVT surveillance per capita globally and who's it pointing at? That's right, us. It's watching us to protect us and we're told that we're quite happy about it. :o ::) :o

I agree with you about life versus liberty.
Morally liberty wins out every time since life with it is worthless and liberty without life is pointless.
However it's easy to get a population fearful enough to sacrifice their liberties for a perception of protected life.

Quote from: masonspappy on June 07, 2013, 08:47:39 PM
Maybe you're thinking of ECHELON??
I was indeed, I knew it was some pretentious sounding name lol  thankyou.

"Spring has arrived late in the mountains this year"

Richard
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TheBadger

QuoteSorry but you'll have to explain that one and the edited Louis XVI image ... over my English head.  Which is at least still attached ... is that the message?

Simply that he's claimed the power of a King. The president of the united states does not have the authority under law to kill citizens without trial. Not even traitors. The only time such an act is permissible is if the citizen is a clear threat to others.
For example, while robbing a bank, and when the police have announced their presence the robber refuses to surrender. Or, if a man is running down the street with a rifle shooting people... Things like this, where killing the citizen saves lives immediately. Or when martial law is declared.
I suppose there are some grey areas. But clearly the boy dose not fit into a grey area. And in any case, he can not use the military to kill citizens.

Many crimes have been committed. And the fog of war is not going to fly for me anymore as an excuse.

To tell you the truth I thought that was an image of king George of England. Does not mater though... One tyrant for another.

QuoteThis ?? LINK  Shameful and disgusting

Yes thats the story. Although I am not familiar with that news group. And I did not read the copy. But the boy in the video is the one I was talking about.
He was murdered by drone while eating in a restaurant with friends and family. He was 15 years old. The son of a known traitor and terrorist. But the boy him self had no connection to any terrorist acts, and was not standing next to his dad when killed.
Even if he was in agreement with his father, he should not have been targeted. He should have been captured and deprogramed. As the son of an abuser. An abuse victim.

The only response the administration has given is the one in that video. "He should of had a more responsible father".

Pardon me now, but... Fuck you Robert Gibbs you son of a bitch. If theres a hell it was made for men like you. Burn.

cyphyr, the rest of what you said is only an acceptance of what goes on in your country based on your perception that such Behavior is inevitable. I agree such Behavior is inevitable, where it is allowed. But here in the US, as a simple mater of fact, all of this we are taking about is illegal in american law. All of it. It is all fundamentally unconstitutional.

By doing what you suggest and I agree was inevitable, murdering, spying, covering up. Directing government agencies to persecute political dissenters. Obama made him self King, or dictator if you prefer. Surly there can be no semantics argument about tyrant?

If there is any honest men left in my Government. Obama will be impeached and imprisoned. After a trial, of course.

It has been eaten.

TheBadger

#8
Correction;
The President never has the power to kill a citizen without trial. Only a court of law can order a man put to death. And only after a trial where the accused is allowed to face his accuser. And when a jury of his peers find him guilty.

The boy does not fit any exception to this, that I have ever heard.

* oh yeah. I for got to answer your other question.

There is no doubt whatsoever. Jefferson would have viewed whats going on now as an abomination. I have no doubt that he would have called for violent action to end it.

I do not however call for yet more violence, my self just to be clear. Not yet.
I still have a little faith in Truth and Justice. And that people in power will deal with all of this rightly.
It has been eaten.

FrankB

Quote from: TheBadger on June 07, 2013, 03:15:15 PM
Dear friends.

To all of you "foreigners" who I have had internet contact with over the last 5 years. I want to say that I am sorry. Because I am an American and you are not. It seems that as a result of our contact you have been spied on, by the people claiming to be my government.

And to those of us who have expressed disquiet, and especially you who have expressed anti american government sentiments over the years, I am very very sorry.
Please take comfort in the knowledge, as I do, that death by drone missile is probably rather quick and painless.

Now I do not want to impose on anyone any religion. But because I believe that death (at least physical) by drone strike is probably a permanent condition, I want to encourage you all to contemplate the Truth. And all of the truly great questions in life, while you still can.

Also, to those of you who like to look at porn on your computers, especially the weird stuff. Its probably too late to erase your hard drives, but for Grandma's sake, try.
Hacked video from your webcams, of you playing with your selves will hurt her more than when they call you a terrorist on the nightly news... Old people are like that.

Never forget that all of this was for our own good. And that we asked for it. Because its the governments job to protect us, not ours.

And always remember that it was a leftist who did this to you. Also, remember that I told you so.

Good bye, and good luck.

Apology accepted. Actually, that is very kind if you!

I found it funny when the government explained that the data will only be used against non US people... Yeah, sure....

Well, I don't know about you, but the Prism story did not surprise me at all. Actually, I am using my email, facebook, my iphone, skype  etc under the assumption that somewhere, all my activity is being logged or recorded.
As sad as this might be, it is inevitable. Inevitable because ANY government will want to protect the well being and the integrity of their vital infrastructure, at the very least. And because most serious threats nowadays and at least planned, if not carried out, electronically, it seems logical to me that a proactive scanning of electronic activity can help prevent all sorts of attacks in the first place.

Still, it feels wrong, I think most people would agree. But still, it's not going to go away.




TheBadger

Cheers frank.

But I don't except it. And American law does not allow it. I cannot entertain rationalisations for murder. Or violating the security of my person. The US has literally suffered the deaths of millions of men since our founding, on these issues.

But I can understand why you Europeans are less offended (seemingly so). Our ways of life are rather more different than they look I think.
Certainly our cultures and history are different.

But to tell you the truth, I thought Europe was much ahead of the US on internet rights to privacy. I guess not?
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Tangled-Universe

I'm kind of with Frank here, although data should be anonymised first, which of course never will happen, because that would beat its purpose. Why anonymising data?
I can perfectly imagine analyses where clever algorithms, which analyse on subjective parameters!, go through the heap of data and starting to connect dots about your life.
Consequently I wouldn't be surprised to see people being arrested for things they haven't done yet, but they will say that their data-mining programm indicated that there was a greater than x percentage chance he's involved in terrorism or whatever other crime.

I just think that's plain wrong.

Furthermore, and this is where I differ from Frank I'm pretty sure, is that I think that PRISM and Corporations is a kind of collaboration.
Governments want information and control and obtain that from corporations. In turn corporations get good deals on taxes and other types of legislation whatever.

Behind the curtain/backdoor decisions like these are likely made on Bilderberg like meetings (80% corporate, 10% politic, 10% think-tank) which happens to be taking place this very weekend in Watford.
On the public agenda this year is "populism", internet demonstration/mobilisation, syria and turkey.

So in relation to PRISM, corporations and governments...how much of coincidence is this? Is it a positive development?

TheBadger

QuoteIs it a positive development?

Which part? I don't know what you mean...

My understanding of the story thus far, what the stories are suggesting is... That the corporations (apple, mirosoft, ISPs, more than I can name) were not left with too much of a choice.

But let me throw a stick in your guys wheels. Do you really think that this stuff is not going to be used against you? Why? because your not important enough?

THis is not going to go well for anyone. Because in the end, they dont care about what dirty movies people watch. They care how people vote. And if you got something to loose and your not voting the way you should. Watch out guys. Or have you not heard about the IRS stuff, or the AP stuff?

Everything in human history. And I mean everything. Tells us this is going to be real bad.
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Tangled-Universe

Of course this is going to be used against us all, that's exactly what I meant with my description of an algorithm wich analyses all the mined data to connect dots about every person. What do they buy, how much, where, where do they work, travel, eat, who do they meet, how many times, where and what about the people he meets etc. etc. etc.
Everybody's being profiled and like I said the parameters are subjective, because an algorithm can't decide who's a terrorist or not. So in the end the power lays in a handful of people.

TheBadger

Oh  :-\. well ok. Thank you for clarifying.

Just one more question to you all then.

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU BE SO CALM! IM FREAKING OUT.

Everyday it just gets worse and worse. More and more terrible things are being reported in the news. It seems like its really coming apart. I mean the ideas of just and morally upright government.

I never had doubts that its a shady thing, the government. But I always believed the good outmatched the evil. Now it seems that its split in half, or worse.

If there is any good in this it can only be that we are being warned. But who is listening. And can the American people see through the spin to vote these people out? On that I have so little faith.

Im really sad now guys. Im going to go drink my self into a coma.
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