PRISM

[Tangled-Universe]

This PRISM thing is just the tip of the iceberg, perhaps even the very grain of ice on top.

Imagine the implication if the following growing suspicions seems true:

1) Germany, among other countries, has requested 700 of their 3600 tons of gold to be sent back to Germany from Fort Knox.
The FED said it wasn't possible until 2020. Why? It's in a vault, open it, carry it out and put it on a plane/ship. Done.
Why 2020? Why 7 years? What's so urgent to stall this?

In turn Germany became suspicious and sent a big team of diplomats and officials to Fort Knox and requested an audit for their gold.
The audit was denied.
Next day they attempted again, using diplomatic force. They got to see only 6 bars of gold which were told to be theirs.
They weren't allowed to touch or inspect it and above all, they were refused access by all means to the vault of the FED.
Why?

2) China, India, Australia and other countries are buying gold, from all over the world. They are trying to convert their currencies into gold, seemingly reverting to pre-40's situation. Why?

3) Hussein wanted to use the Euro for his oil instead of the petro-dollar.
Assad wants to get rid of the petro-dollar and set up an alternative arabic coin together with Iran.
Khadaffi wanted an africa coin so he didn't had to use dollars.

The whole world economy is based on petro-dollars which you need to buy/use to do business/trade.

USA is doing nothing but defending their dollar at ALL cost.

Why?

The growing suspicions are:

1) the end of the dollar as dominant currency is reaching it's end. (finally, yeah!)

2) ...that the FED has ZERO gold.

We all know the petro-dollar is a scam and so is the whole financial system.
In this system all the gold of each country is covered by bonds which is just a piece of paper from the USA stating "we owe you this amount of gold covering for so many dollars".
But what if it turns out that everybody's who's keeping their gold for over 7 decades in Fort Knox and other FED vaults and it turns out that all has gone and that for many years EVERYTHING and all the shit was for nothing???

Personally: this idea is idiotic, ludicrous, beyond belief and acceptance...but the stupid thing is: it wouldn't even surprise me!

[efflux]

Gold is the real money. There may be no gold at Fort Knox. The bankers even lease out non existent gold to smash down the markets. Its 100 to 1 fake gold to real gold. At least that's the official figure. Yes, the US probably has no gold. They have to buy it back to give to Germany etc.

Add Iran to that list. They are stopping trading in US dollars. The US have tried to destroy the Iranian currency and stop the people buying gold. Libya had gold as well. Masses of it. That's simply looted. The US is attempting to destroy every other country to keep the dollar up. The fed is bailing out banks monthly to 85 billion. Lots of that is going abroad, especially to Europe. The banks then park that money back at the fed and the fed pays interest to the banks. The fed doesn't want any of that money to get into the real economy or there would be massive inflation. The real economy means nothing to bankers. It's the biggest fraud in all of history and it will eventually be the biggest fall of any nation in history. The US is the biggest stooge the bankers have ever found because the population doesn't oppose any of their actions.

[efflux]

Essentially the fed is saving the banks via bailout and paying them to make sure you get none of that money. This will result in mass genocide. That is the policy of the US now. Much worse than Nazi Germany.

[matrix2003]

Well as an Peace loving American, looking to retire. I'll just say that the blood just ran out of my head. I think I need to sit down.

[efflux]

I've said this many times but all these things are about attitudes and policy of Oligarchy. This is the key word. They believe themselves to be the gods and hence everything belongs to them. Let loose, they take everything and cause wars, genocide etc. The also desire absolute monitoring of all the population for total control.

Maybe people should rewatch this movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTL7P3c3_Ag

[efflux]

The gold is also shifted out of the US via another scam. They trade fake paper gold and the traders don't get the real gold when trying to gain delivery. They are paid off in US paper dollars. Meanwhile the real gold is sold abroad. This brings in tidy profit for bankers while China and other countries get the real gold and Americans are left holding the paper.

[efflux]

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/

Paul Craig Roberts gets something wrong here though. The UK is not the puppet of the US. This whole cancerous system totally eminates out of the old British Empire which absolutely still exists through the banking system.

[Upon Infinity]

The collapse of the US dollar will be the biggest single event in human history, and its impact will completely rearrange the power and economic bases of the entire planet.

There's a little known movie from 1981 called Rollover that plays out eerily like events going on in the world today.  You can contrast the end of that movie almost exactly like the simultaneous unrest in the world today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPYLJoq_40Y

[efflux]

I'm actually not sure that it will suddenly collapse because that would wake people up or the people wake up then they collapse the system to stop the wake up. They will attempt to collapse the system to save themselves or go to war. I think it will be a slow wind down but it effects the rest of the world.

[efflux]

This sort of thing is almost daily now:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2365940/City-rocked-new-scandal-bond-rigging-probe.html

Not one banker has been prosecuted for anything since the collapse started.

[Upon Infinity]

Not one banker has been prosecuted for anything since the collapse started.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.  As bad as that is, it's one of the lesser crimes either committed by or permitted by, government. 

Mark Carney is a dolt, and has left Canada with an enormous housing bubble.  Average house price in Calgary right now: $500,000.  In 2006 you could have bought an average, single family home for about $160,000.  I suppose this is why all paper currencies go to zero.  Britain can have him, although they're even worse off.  Canada was at least forced into austerity in the 90's, which has helped take a lot of the strain most countries are going through.  But now, debt and inflation are going into hyperdrive again.  They keep telling us to stop borrowing and going into debt, even though the government has the necessary tools to keep people from going into debt; raise interest rates.  Of course, that would collapse the ponzi scheme.

I don't know the shape of things to come, nor do I know how it all will play out.  But I do know, things will get a whole lot worse, before they get better.  Take all the talk of "green shoots" and economic recovery with several grains of salt and a healthy dose of skepticism.

[TheBadger]

Just when I thought I was out...

Personally: this idea is idiotic, ludicrous, beyond belief and acceptance...but the stupid thing is: it wouldn't even surprise me!

Agreed. At this point if all the members my government burst open and winged devils came flying out, I would just shrug. Can't tell you how sad it makes me that I am able to say something like that.
The worst part is that each political party really believes that its better than the other. But we know now that destroying the world is a team sport. Given all we now know about the last 10 years, who did more damage to the liberty of free people? Bush or Obama?
Its a trick question, their the same person. Anyone who dose not see that is a professional shit eater.

Though personally I think Bush would make better company to have a beer with while watching Rome burn.

But I do know, things will get a whole lot worse, before they get better.

And I pray no one falls for Nitche's bull shit "what ever does not kill you makes you stronger".
No! It just leaves you broken and crippled, and ruined. And wishing you had died while you still had a little dignity and honor.
Never forget that Nitche was not a hypocrite. He practiced what he preached. And he died of syphilis.

[Tangled-Universe]

...who did more damage to the liberty of free people? Bush or Obama?

Its a trick question, their the same person. Anyone who dose not see that is a professional shit eater.

I remember me telling you this and it seems you have started to accept that Bush vs Obama makes little sense and that it doesn't matter who you vote for, because they don't call the shots for real.

Hell, look at what Jimmy Carter said yesterday, that the democratic system in the US is failing and is a fake one.
And right he is. It's a 2 party system, how democratic can that be if people basically only have two choices.
Of course there are other players, but they miss sponsors and thus money to get their voice heared, which in the end means it's always 1 of these 2 who call the shots in name of the public, but as a matter of fact are only doing what they're being told and paid (lobby) for by corporations. Both parties are puppets of the "corporatocracy".

I was quite surprised to see that from an alive ex-USA president.

Yesterday I spoke a bit with somebody about this and she said she saw the problems too, but was wondering in what kind of system of world people would not be "corrupted" or not abusing their position for their own good.
An answer, not necessarily a solution, is a total communistic system where there's no room for personal development and no possibility for people to abuse their position, since every aspect of their job and life is spelled out for them AND heavily controlled.

Makes one wonder; is the world we know today, where we finally see evidently that corporations are calling the shots and increasingly deciding about more and more aspects of your daily life, is going to really differ from a communistic like system? How does PRISM fit in this?

If all the tin-foil dudes, as we call them so lovely and respectfully, are right then we're progressing towards a new hybrid society of corporate communism.

It's for a reason many sci-fi movies use these scenario's, because the writers observe this too and are being inspired by how the excesses of the current system may look like eventually.
It turns out PRISM wasn't sci-fi at all.
I'm curious to see how much reality catches up with sci-fi movies in the coming years/decades.

[TheBadger]

T-U,

I cant agree with that last post. Im not saying the problem is that we have two parties here. Im saying that the problem is they lie. Bush was not a Conservative, and Obama is not a Liberal. In order to be a classic american Liberal or Conservative, you have to believe in and live by the constitution.


I loath the european parliamentary system. I think it stinks. A coalition government? Screw that. One government is enough for me.
Our two party system would be perfect if the people in it were doing what they were supposed to do, namely defend and promote the constitution.
All of Americas problems at home and abroad are because they don't live by the constitution. Their mostly traders or thieves. Their all liars.

Communism, fascism, anarchy? I dont want any of this. Im done playing the "what hurts less" game. Does it hurt more to get kicked in the left nut or the right nut?
Im done with this shit. Im going radical.
By the way, radical means to return to ones roots. I am not saying anything about becoming violent
However, I would do violence against a communist government in my country, I would fight that one. fascism too if it gets much worse than it is now.

I love capitalism, just not the version we have, which is not real capitalism. That last part I agree with you about (not every detail, but the over riding idea that its broken). The free market, when its really free, and governed by reasonable moral laws like true weights and measures, honesty in advertising among others. And where all laws are applied evenly to all participants, really works great. But thats not what happens as you and others, and I have said.

Martin, I was always against Bush, I was just against him less than the dems. Because my beliefs allow me to choose the lesser evil. THe problem is that the government arguments around PRISM (and a number of other issues) have shown me their the same evil. They were able to hide it from me for a long time by playing on my personal feelings and passions. Not any more.
Now I want to be the one to kick a politician in the balls! 

One last thing I should put out here. You keep bringing up democracy. I think we have different ideas about this. The democratic and republican parties are supposed to represent American ideas about democracy. We are a constitutional republic, not a democracy. DEmocracy is a part of our system from the beginning, but it is not the same as modern ideas about democracy. I am much less concerned about democracy than I am the constitution and the bill of rights.  Those two things mean much more to me than my one vote.

Your idea about adding more parties and voices would just make it harder for me to see who my enemies are. And add more lies to the problem.

[Tangled-Universe]

I'm not bringing up democracy everytime. You're talking about Bush/Obama everytime in which I respond to in terms of that they are both democratically chosen in a democratically corrupt/broken system
At least, I feel I'm not bringing it up, but rather responding to you.

Your idea about adding more parties and voices would just make it harder for me to see who my enemies are. And add more lies to the problem.

I find this a curious remark.
Especially the "enemies" phrase which is definitely not unique to you, but in our experience here quite commonly used by Americans in arguments.
Why does it have to be so black and white? Yes it makes it more easy.
It tastes similar to the "with us or against us" mentality we Europeans often complain about when talking about USA.
It's their way, or the highway. Also black and white.
I know common enemies psychology works, but I don't think it really works for you when reading this and other topics? Yet you do use it.
Therefore I found it a bit surprising to read. No offense of course

The way we see it here is that it is SO black and white that dems and reps always have complete opposite programms.
Here, but that's how we feel it, we have more "choice" (I won't take the disfunctioning democracy into account here this time) because with more parties there's more chance there's a party which more precisely stands for your ideas and interests.
We think that a 2 party system is very limiting, because we think it's always choosing the lesser evil since neither of the 2 can offer you what you are looking for. Especially with such strong opposites.