Russia's Next Land Grabs

Started by PabloMack, May 07, 2015, 06:47:33 PM

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PabloMack

The old bear hasn't changed much. Looks like they plan to nibble away at their neighboring countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/10/opinion/russias-next-land-grab.html?_r=0

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-just-cemented-a-new-land-grab-2015-3

Seth

Quoteshow that America has not abandoned the South Caucasus.

errr... America should know that they don't own anything in Europe or Caucasus and should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.

Upon Infinity

Yes, I'm more concerned about the U.S.'s next aggressive war to prop up the Petro Dollar.

PabloMack

Quote from: Seth on May 08, 2015, 08:35:55 AMAmerica...should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.

You mean like they did during the 1930's? I think everyone who has been paying attention knows how well that turned out.  :-\

TheBadger

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Quoteerrr... America should know that they don't own anything in Europe or Caucasus and should remain in America, for the good of everybody else.

I gave up on Europe when I learned that there are large sections of major cities that are not open to the people that are from there or the government, ("no go zones")... so called.
Europe has lost its mind, and you can't help crazy.

As for Russia, half my family lives in Moscow. And while I really really don't like Putin, I can tell you that the overwhelming number of Russian people do love him. They know what kind of man he is, but they believe he is truly trying to make Russia strong again (Russian Empire strong, not USSR).
Russians are proud. They don't like their new place in the world. They are willing to put up with a lot for a chance at a return of some of their nations glory. Not saying I like what Putin has done. But the only people who can do anything about him are the Russian people.

Moscow is a great city though. Really love that place. You don't know hospitality until you have been a guest in someones home from Eastern parts.

It has been eaten.

inkydigit

#5
 ::) :-X  :-\
It will only end with Armageddon
::)


otakar

No go zones? Not sure what you are referring to.

Putin is a huge wildcard. The recent victory parade was a complete throwback to the times of the Soviet Empire. Only resolve will keep peace alive, IMHO (where war has not broken out yet at least). So long as we don't have the Chamberlain type of leaders.

Have you seen his comments on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Truly astounding. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11213255/Vladimir-Putin-says-there-was-nothing-wrong-with-Soviet-Unions-pact-with-Adolf-Hitlers-Nazi-Germany.html

Seth

QuoteYou mean like they did during the 1930's? I think everyone who has been paying attention knows how well that turned out.

Can you be more specific ?

Because lately, we are a lot of people thinking that US government is a real problem against peace.
I always like how Albright found justified to kill 500 000 children in Iraq...

And we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...

AP

#8
It is interesting. You wake up and you learn a lot about the real world and history. No conspiracies, no tin foil hats... just reality.


WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

Major General Smedley Butler

AP

Speaking of Russia...

Lenin and the Russian Revolution: Institutionalized Insanity

https://youtu.be/Y3-kmo7tGWU

TheBadger

#10
QuoteNo go zones? Not sure what you are referring to.

In france most notably (because of recent events) but also many other countries, there are large sections of various cities that are referred to as "no go zones". These areas are completely dominated by foreign immigrants who are not, and appear to have no will or welcome to assimilate. effectively setting up micro states with-in states. Now this happens everywhere I suppose. But I would argue the difference between, say, "China Town" in San Francisco, and what you see in some places in Paris (for example) are quite obvious. What I was saying is that it is crazy for countries in the EU to allow multiculturalism to such a level with-in their borders AND the multiculturalism of EU states due to open boarders within the EU. What will be left?

I guess the point is to turn the EU into a kind of unified federation of states, making each country a kind of state like in the US or even the Russian Federation? Maybe that is good, I don't know. But it wont work with non western culture, like that of the "no go zones".

QuotePutin is a huge wildcard. The recent victory parade was a complete throwback to the times of the Soviet Empire.

There is still a communist party in Russia. The symbols of Communism in russia, I think, amount to little more than pillow talk to voters. And the tacky use of emotional calls to history, has always been a part of Russia. Stalin called up the ghost of Ivan, and currently Putin calls up the ghosts of the Red Army. He merely is attempting to justify his claim to power by referring to the power of those who came before him.
But the USSR is not coming back anymore than Tsar Nicholas II is coming back.
There have ALWAYS been parades on Red Square. The symbols of communism just help to provide continuity between the last period and the coming period.
Putin is one thing, But what comes after him is more important, I would say.

QuoteHave you seen his comments on the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Truly astounding

Why? America basically had a non aggression pack by not getting involved at all, until Pearl Harbor. Whats the difference? Your complaint appears to be only that Putin defends it? I argue that ww2 was just a continuation of ww1. Look at the world now, most of the problems are left over from ww2. WW3 will just be a continuation of ww2. Indeed  the no go zones, are a symptom of this.

From what I understand, most Russians believe that the Bolshevik revolution was started by Germany. That German operatives paid Lennon. And that the plan was to destroy the Russian Empire. This is widely believed. And is probably true.

WW1-WW2-WW3, are all the same war. It is just broken up into chapters for easier reading.



Anyway, Russia is much more complex than people generally think.  But really, how do we talk about any of this in posts? It is too big a topic.
Still it is fun though. At least it is important topic and it is good we are interested. Especially since we and or our sons will be the ones who die in the next war. I wonder if there will be anyone left when its over to remember us? Anyone left to count how many of us died, or to hold a victory parade for us? I am not optimistic about it.

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QuoteBecause lately, we are a lot of people thinking that US government is a real problem against peace.
I always like how Albright found justified to kill 500 000 children in Iraq...

And we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...

Iraq?
  "In 1916, the British and French made a plan for the post-war division of (Western Asia) under the Sykes-Picot Agreement.[41] British forces regrouped  and captured Baghdad in 1917, and defeated the Ottomans. An armistice was signed in 1918."
This is "Iraq"...

All of the mess in the world is still European bullshit! When I get drafted, or my Son does, it will be again to fix European bull shit. If you want to talk about Iraq, why not Palestine? No such place either. But why stop there, how about Africa... all problems left over from ww2!
How many dead babies because of French and British politics and Colonialism? Many many more than 500,000.

Oh but wait, I am sorry, I forgot how hard the french fought Hitler. And now you have Sharia law in parts of Paris! HA! I think no one should listen to European advice about War and Peace.


Quotewar... is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars...

Really? So how were ww1 and ww2 paid for? The dollar was big then? As I recall from my lessons, GOLD was the basis of money then... european gold! And European philosophy!
And most if not all conflict today is a continuation of the world wars, European wars.


But no, the US is not blameless. Most of our problems now come from European ideas though... about mony and government. Or are you going to tell me that communism, fascism, socialism, statism, "Social justice" (as apposed to real justice), Keynesian economics, and all the rest were created in the US?




Europe is the rot of the West.
It has been eaten.

PabloMack


PabloMack

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Quote from: TheBadger on May 12, 2015, 04:47:58 PMAnd now you have Sharia law in parts of Paris!

Many Muslims are wanting to undermine the sovereignty of the USA by feigning offense and playing the discrimination card. This is their strategy for eroding the country from the inside. The truth is that Christian churches don't make laws that supersede state and federal laws nor does anyone else (and if they do they are criminal). So how do Muslims think they can get away with seizing privileges that no-one else has?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUj-fUBKxMw

Quote from: TheBadger on May 10, 2015, 09:00:28 PMMoscow is a great city though. Really love that place.

I've never stayed in Russia but had two stops in Moscow for refueling between the USA and Singapore. From the air it looks ominous as ALL of the buildings look huge with none of the suburban sprawl that you see in American cities.

PabloMack

Quote from: Seth on May 12, 2015, 02:38:15 PMCan you be more specific ?

WWII. Badger pretty well covered it.

Quote from: Seth on May 12, 2015, 02:38:15 PMAnd we can talk about all the terrorist group they formed everywhere, armed them, etc...
How they keep trying to rule countries, how they try to destabilize Russia next to their borders, etc...

It was very unclear who you were referring to in all of your "they"s. I do think the USA has been very stupid when it comes to arming people in situations they don't understand. But this I know. The Ukrainians (among other Eastern European countries) have very good reasons for resenting the Russians. Something like 2.5 ~ 7.5 million Ukrainians starved to death when the Russians came in and took their food for industrialization before the Russian "Patriotic War". Americans didn't do anything to bring that resentment (even hatred) about.

"Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine and many other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet Union."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Emmeline

Quote from: PabloMack on May 12, 2015, 05:15:33 PM
http://soerenkern.com/2011/08/22/european-%E2%80%98no-go%E2%80%99-zones-for-non-muslims-proliferating/

http://truthuncensored.net/there-are-muslim-no-go-zones-in-the-usa/#sthash.aHmfamdW.dpbs

I'm with you Badger. I think its time for the French to kick some butt at home.

We get that crap here in Australia, too. Entire suburbs of Sydney are no-go zones. In fact, pretty much the entire of Southwestern Sydney is exactly that.
Fact is though - people pussy-foot around because people go "OMFG RACIST" if you say anything.
Last I heard, Islam is a RELIGION, not a race. But, the pussy-footing continues.
Its only a matter of time before they instigate Sharia law here - and like I say: Over my dead body they will! Being a woman, I'm doubly-screwed.