Thanks all, heat and boredom bear viney fruit...heh heh heh. I've managed to load and re do the parts shaders in PoseRay getting rid of the leaves so it's 11 objects using currently, the same map but that could and should change. Losint 2/3 of the parts shaders got this down to 444,046 KB and it rar's down to just over 60,000KB so if some one knows an easier free file share than sendSpace please post me a link and I'll upload it.