Why are US periodist lying about my country?

[Ariel DK]

here, the dictatorships always has come with right-wing governments. is this so difficult to understand to you?

And please Pablo, don't misunderstand me, at difference of you, i'm not saying that right-wing measures doesnt work, its just that never gonna work in emerging economies, that's why the Keynesian economics was applied in different measures by MOST of the european countries to get out of the great depression of 30', and also the reason why the Nordic countries continues apply it. In south america, the Keynesian economics are the pillar used by socialism to hold on in a global capitalist model. after that, you can said whatever you want, except denied it works...

[PabloMack]

What is it that you consider to be the role government plays in a socialist society?

[WAS]

here, the dictatorships always has come with right-wing governments. is this so difficult to understand to you?

I'd be interested to know if you can back any of this up with local citations from your countries or others perspective? It seems from a Western and European perspective, dictators in Latin America have been exclusively from the left, a lot of the 60s-70s era Dictators were literally installed by the Soviets (hence the huuuge gene-pool of Russian-Latins in South America since the mid 1900s).

There's actually a movie on this subject, though it is fake it was a tale of what would have happened it the US did not intervene with Soviet relations in South America. It's called Red Dawn, I'm not sure if it's available in your area. But these were the scenarios Americans were scared of in the 50s-70s with the Cold War and Socialism. There's an entire Anti-Nationalism culture in the US born from World War II and vilifies all forms of socialism.

I'm just curious how we perceive things compared to you as "facts", or even as I trailed on, fiction.

[Ariel DK]

There's actually a movie on this subject, though it is fake it was a tale of what would have happened it the US did not intervene with Soviet relations in South America. It's called Red Dawn, I'm not sure if it's available in your area. But these were the scenarios Americans were scared of in the 50s-70s with the Cold War and Socialism. There's an entire Anti-Nationalism culture in the US born from World War II and vilifies all forms of socialism.

I'm just curious how we perceive things compared to you as "facts", or even as I trailed on, fiction.

Red Dawn? yes, is available and i added to my list to watch.

I'd be interested to know if you can back any of this up with local citations from your countries or others perspective? It seems from a Western and European perspective, dictators in Latin America have been exclusively from the left, a lot of the 60s-70s era Dictators were literally installed by the Soviets (hence the huuuge gene-pool of Russian-Latins in South America since the mid 1900s).

Yeah, is incredible to believe, but our history it was just all the opposite. about your request, i didn't want to cite local sources because that would suggest that they may not be entirely objective, so i chose this one, it seems to be a reliable source. is an study by the Cambridge University that try to analyze the influence of the right-wing politics in the South America dictatorships.
In the USA there was an evident process of anti-socialist culturalization in the population. but i'm pretty sure that most of the common citizen doesn't know about the political-economical past of the Nordic Countries (there is somebody from those countries here?). they are a perfect example of what happen when you applied uninterrupted left-wing politics and without any political fanaticism. for example, from 1945 to the mid 70', Norway applied Social-Keynesianism and they imposed the Welfare State model, a concept clearly taken from the left-wing. after that, they used a "mixed economic", AKA "the Nordic Model" at today, but yeah, in that first 20 years, they were socialist countries, and 80% of those first social measures are actually still present. so, the argument that socialism as social-economic system promove dictatorships or that doesnt work, is a biggest lie ever. and again, socialism IS NOT communism: the communism is totally anti-capitalist system, socialism are not.

[WAS]

Right-Wing Authoritarianism is not Right-Wing Conservatism just like Right-Wing Conservatism is not Right-Wing Traditionalism. There are many types of politics that I think are being mixed up and blurred here.

[Ariel DK]

Right-Wing Authoritarianism is not Right-Wing Conservatism...

Here in South America (which is the theme that care us) they are clearly the same. one thing that you need to understand about why they are the same thing here is: the biggest enemy of the Latin America countries is the PRIVATIZATION of services, or natural resources. this is the common economical factor that literally destroy our countries, specially during the 90'

Is like a cycle: when a State/Nation isn't making use of his resources, and is not close of their citizens, the corporations abuse of the benefits, giving in return to the private sector of our countries, enormous gains, meanwhile the worker is subject to incredibly long working days, a lot of bureaucracy, and in some times, slavery conditions. in 1994 in Argentina, they also privatize the health system, causing a lot of people get outside of this system, or due to they couldn't pay, or due to ridiculously protocols like when a seriously injure person needed to present papers before get medical care. we fell in a kind of "pay or die" system. i'm not sure how all this is called in USA, but here, we dont want that anymore.
I know is not easy to understand, but here the right-wing represent to this private and high class social sectors, and when they reach the power, they just call to the door of multinational corporations, and the story repeat again. Socialist governments are the scissors that cut this cycle and propose a Welfare State model again, the problem is (imho), that this model need at least two decades of uninterrupted application to change the things, and that's is what our countries never had, because there is a lot of people that due to ignorance, or lack of interest, they don't understand this historical reality, and sometimes, with the medias doing his job, they vote again right-wing governments, like Macri this last 4 years.

[Ariel DK]

What is it that you consider to be the role government plays in a socialist society?

Basically, that they care of all his citizens, and that understand the intrinsic value of a human being, not by his social level, his nationality or any other condition, but for his importance as individual, which is the main pillar of our freedom.

[WAS]

Right-Wing Authoritarianism is not Right-Wing Conservatism...

Here in South America (which is the theme that care us) they are clearly the same. one thing that you need to understand about why they are the same thing here is: the biggest enemy of the Latin America countries is the PRIVATIZATION of services, or natural resources. this is the common economical factor that literally destroy our countries, specially during the 90'

Is like a cycle: when a State/Nation isn't making use of his resources, and is not close of their citizens, the corporations abuse of the benefits, giving in return to the private sector of our countries, enormous gains, meanwhile the worker is subject to incredibly long working days, a lot of bureaucracy, and in some times, slavery conditions. in 1994 in Argentina, they also privatize the health system, causing a lot of people get outside of this system, or due to they couldn't pay, or due to ridiculously protocols like when a seriously injure person needed to present papers before get medical care. we fell in a kind of "pay or die" system. i'm not sure how all this is called in USA, but here, we dont want that anymore.
I know is not easy to understand, but here the right-wing represent to this private and high class social sectors, and when they reach the power, they just call to the door of multinational corporations, and the story repeat again. Socialist governments are the scissors that cut this cycle and propose a Welfare State model again, the problem is (imho), that this model need at least two decades of uninterrupted application to change the things, and that's is what our countries never had, because there is a lot of people that due to ignorance, or lack of interest, they don't understand this historical reality, and sometimes, with the medias doing his job, they vote again right-wing governments, like Macri this last 4 years.

None of that relates to them being the same thing. And you keep saying here without any citation. One might call mixing them up slanderous to their political ideals. I kind find any direct dialogues about correlation beyond falsifiable rhetoric meant to insult.

[Ariel DK]

I'm not clearly understanding what you're saying, or asking, am i being insulting or something?

...There are many types of politics that I think are being mixed up and blurred here.

I understand why this can seem blurred, that's is why i'm trying to be general with this theme, basically inside of what you can call right-wing, you can find from Liberal politicians, to conservadurist one (always talking of Argentina). how called in your country to a government that privatize all the public services and give all the responsibilities of their citizen to corporations? well, thats is your answer. in my country this is not very important, because when this kind of politicians reach the government they behave always in the same way, as i explain before. in other countries of the region, is even more complex. if you want sources in spanish that show of what im talking about, let me know.

[PabloMack]

Ariel DK,

I suggest not using the word "socialism" when trying to communicate your
ideas to English-speakers because it doesn't mean what you mean when
you are promoting a certain kind of government. There are words called
"false friends" which mean one thing in one language but are very misleading
when using the seemingly closest word from the same root in another language.

My German teacher taught me that the word "gift" which means a valuable thing
that is given from one person to another in English, but in German it is the
word that means "poison". When words fail to communicate, find another one.

My best example is the English word "embarrassed" which means a kind of
feeling of shame. The Spanish word "embarrassado" means pregnant. One
time I was trying to explain to a Spanish speaking woman on an airplane
that I was embarrassed for not being more fluent in Spanish than I was.
She thought I was a man claiming to be pregnant and I never did get my
idea across to her because she couldn't imagine why a man could be
pregnant from talking Spanish or some silly nonsense like that. Just avoid
the word "socialism" and you won't miscommunicate like you have been
doing.

[Ariel DK]

Ariel DK,

I suggest not using the word "socialism" when trying to communicate your
ideas to English-speakers because it doesn't mean what you mean when
you are promoting a certain kind of government. There are words called
"false friends" which mean one thing in one language but are very misleading
when using the seemingly closest word from the same root in another language.

My German teacher taught me that the word "gift" which means a valuable thing
that is given from one person to another in English, but in German it is the
word that means "poison". When words fail to communicate, find another one.

My best example is the English word "embarrassed" which means a kind of
feeling of shame. The Spanish word "embarrassado" means pregnant. One
time I was trying to explain to a Spanish speaking woman on an airplane
that I was embarrassed for not being more fluent in Spanish than I was.
She thought I was a man claiming to be pregnant and I never did get my
idea across to her because she couldn't imagine why a man could be
pregnant from talking Spanish or some silly nonsense like that. Just avoid
the word "socialism" and you won't miscommunicate like you have been
doing.

Thanks Pablo, i take note of that.

In this case, for obvious reasons, i can't avoid use that word, and nobody can said that this "periodist" it was committing a interpretation mistake
because she was perfectly conscious of what she was talking about while pronounce "Socialism".
Anyway, you're right: i supposed that the definition of "Socialism" it would be the same in any occidental country, but i was wrong.
i not consider myself socialist, but in my country, i prefer that over the alternative. can you consider me like a left-wing person? course you can.
Like a socialdemocratic? definitively no, because in that case, what that's means, it gonna depend of your local politics. i understood now.
Another thing that i never said to give more context to my words, is that here in my country, the politic scenery is extremely polarized between Left and Right-wing.
you have a lot of political parties from both sides, but they are in essence the same, there is not such thing like Center parties.

[PabloMack]

The free world is under attack right now by Marxists. Certainly the CCP is involved in ways we are only vaguely aware. The BLM leaders openly call themselves trained Marxists. Watch this video to understand how a democratic nation ends up with a dictator or communist takeover after they hand their power over to a "savior" to solve their problems for them. Yuri Bezmenov was a defector from the KGB and he explains how this process works. It's really an excellent presentation. What is really interesting is that the leaders who are instrumental in bringing about the collapse of a democratic country are discarded after they are no longer needed. I don't think the BLM leaders would be so anxious to push their agenda if they knew what was in store for them if they ever achieved their goals. As Tomas Shuman (his alias) says, they are lined up along a wall and shot. This is what happens when citizens get lazy and they let the people who promise them the world take over their country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLdDmeyMJls

[PabloMack]

I think Russia is now a good example of how a "democracy" can devolve into a totalitarian state. Watch them closely and compare the independent news to the state-mandated news that Putin is pushing. Someone in this forum said something like "Russian has much more democracy than the USA". I wonder if he has changed his opinion since February 24 of this year. A lot of us saw it coming twenty years ago.

[WAS]

I think Russia is now a good example of how a "democracy" can devolve into a totalitarian state. Watch them closely and compare the independent news to the state-mandated news that Putin is pushing. Someone in this forum said something like "Russian has much more democracy than the USA". I wonder if he has changed his opinion since February 24 of this year. A lot of us saw it coming twenty years ago.

I think that angle ended even before, way back when he declared his indefinate presidency. But yeah, definitely has gone backwards. Though most Asian-region Democratic States are hardly that. I can only think of a few that are legit that aren't really just dictatorships.

[Dune]

Withholding of information is actually for the weak (and dangerous). A real democracy should be based on transparency, but well, there's always a gradient.