Mitnick Predictions

[rcallicotte]

http://www.internetevolution.com/author.asp?doc_id=143396&f_src=drothersalert

[Tangled-Universe]

Well, I think he's taking very big leaps at certain point, though I do understand his concerns.

(It's not a search and seizure, banned by the Constitution, because it's not being done by a human – right?).

Don't know if that account for the states but as far as I know it doesn't matter whether it's performed by either a human being or a robot. It's still under the orders/control of the government and the laws still apply to them. At least, they should.

[JimB]

An interesting article. One thing that came to mind is that, as much as a government may abuse the technology to spy on their citizens using nanoids, I can see situations where citizens could turn the tables and have more access to behind the scenes of government 

[rcallicotte]

Jim, that would be good.  The way it was meant to be from the beginning of the U.S. Constitution.  The way it is meant to be.

[efflux]

It seems George Bush has ripped up the constitution. They go on about "democracy" but democracy alone is no good. You have to have a constitution. The US is not just a democracy but a constitutional republic where the people have a bill of rights to protect them no matter who the democratic process puts in power. This is why you were given a right to bear arms - to be able to fight a corrupt government. In the UK, Gordon Brown signed us away on what is essentially a rewrite of the EU constitution (previously rejected by French and Dutch referendums). Most people do not want to be part of an EU superstate. We actually have a form of constitution in the UK and a bill of rights walked over by treasonous politicians signing away our sovereignty. They even changed the UK treason laws so they couldn't be hanged. Don't get me started on this topic. The world situation at present is dire. Few people know what is going on. They don't want you to know.

[rcallicotte]

When I was a teenager (in the 70s), this organization was said by many to not exist --> http://www.trilateral.org/ and the chief founder (David Rockefeller) denied its existence by saying that these people who spoke about the commission were conspiratorial theorists.  What exactly needed fixing (read their front page) might have something to do with the constitutional rights of regular people in democratic lands, who had (have?) greater opportunities to protest governmental abuses by public protest compared to people in lands where such freedoms have been considered illegal.

http://christers.net/veeps/rockefeller-bird.jpg  During a speech...to protesters.

I always come back to this - governments are meant to recognize what human rights are, not create or manipulate or change them.  This is revelation, not indoctrination.

[matrix2003]

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."   V for Vendetta

[efflux]

I'm not at my computer much at the moment so didn't reply until now.

Yes Calico, sadly this stuff is not mad conspiracy theory. I don't know how much other people here know but the US government has actually signed the first agreements with Mexico and Canada. They have a new currency lined up called the Amero. They intend to eventually create the North American Union. An EU style superstate which would basically be the end of the United States. Stuff like this simply doesn't get reported on mainstream media. They can use the devaluation of the dollar to justify this move. A dollar is now worth about 2 cents in real terms. The federal reserve has undermined the true value of the dollar for decades. Same problems in UK. Everything possible will proceed to devalue the pound so as to force us into the euro then all our gold reserves get shipped to the Central European Bank in Germany which will then control our economy because whoever controls the money controls the economy. This is a a simple fact. The whole thing is ludicrous. They actually want a euro army and police force. The nazis couldn't have dreamed of this. The previous rejected constitution would have banned the union jack and our national anthem. This is all for real but people don't seem to understand the agenda. Our politicians are nearly all completely self serving and corrupt. Notice how Tony Blair gets his J P Morgan position reward for supporting the war in Iraq. J P Morgan are a huge cog in the whole corrupt banking machine. They are setting up in Iraq, mortgaging all the future oil supplies.

In the US and UK, money is now all debt. It is not backed by anything. They just print more and more from nothing but this situation is completely unsustainable. We are steering towards a possible apocalyptic depression. It all falls into place though. The solution being the Amero and Euro. I could go on for hours about these things but you can find all this stuff on the net. It seems most people don't care though or maybe just don't know.

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost
forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world
if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years.
But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a
world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite
and world bankers is surely preferable to the national
auto-determination practiced in past centuries."

- David Rockefeller.

[Cyber-Angel]

This is one of the most blatant peaces of Anti-American propaganda I have ever seen and should be reported to Department of Homeland Security, the technical devision at The National Security Agency and the FBI. There is really nothing new in this peace at all other than a modified version of martial that has been doing the rounds of conspiracy theorists and other easy to discredit people of similar elk for the last forty years, such people suffer from either paranoid delusions including broadcast delusions where they wrap aluminum foil about their heads as they believe that the movement is trying to implant messengers in their head via radio waves, either that or they have some kind of mania or psychosis and so therefore easy to discredit and their theories are left to people like me to debunk.

The articles claims about AI and robotics should be dismissed as the hokum they really are, you should not really expect any thing that presents any real threat to any one until at least 2420AD at the earliest and even then there will probably by laws saying what can and cannot be done with it, and by that time all members of the current administration will have long turned to dust.

Illegal wiretaps have been going on for years, and still do, in the years that J.Edger Hover was director of the FBI hundreds if not more illegal wiretaps where carried out on people engaged in a raft of activities ranging form Anti-Vietnam War Activists to Suspected Communists to people engaged with the Black Rights Movement, these things are on record as historical fact and are not in dispute.

The problem with the Internet, is that any one (And their respective cronies) can distribute what ever rhetorical diatribe they wish and forgo the peer review stage and therefore any thing they say should be seen as a statement of their only feelings on a matter and nothing more. As an intellectual I find it rather distressing when people use words like democracy and have not the intelligence to know what those words mean in there proper context.

You some times have a better chance of finding out the truth in a scandal sheet costing ¢20 then you have believing much of what you find on the Internet (As a wise man once said "One step from been called liable, two steps away from a crack in the face with a baseball bat").

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Thats what I think on the matter weather its right, wrong or indifferent a basic rule of thumb that I use is that every thing is suspect until verified other with cold, hard empiric, peer reviewed data: and I tell people that what I say is what I mean and that I might hurt you feelings but at least I'm real and that the alternative is for them to in so many words "Take a long walk off a short peer".



Cyber-Angel           

[JimB]

This is one of the most blatant peaces of Anti-American propaganda I have ever seen

How can an American be anti_American?

[rcallicotte]

@CA - Not sure who you're calling anti-American, etc.  Maybe Mitnick.  I surely doubt it.  He's probably a voice of many who see this sort of progression.  Democracy doesn't exist as it was meant to exist.  Maybe it never has anywhere.  Who cares to argue that point? 

As far as the stuff about Rockefeller, it's not conspiracy.  It's reality.  As a kid, it was people saying something similar (as you have) about consipiracy theorists and yet it was true all along.  All Rockefeller ever cared about was a world government of elite wealthy doing as they please at the expense of the rest of the 99.9% of the planet.  This is reality.  And it's abominable.  God curse it, for perhaps only he can.

[Oshyan]

This political discussion has managed to remain pretty civil thus far (surprisingly). Please keep it that way folks. No reporting to Homeland Security.

- Oshyan

[Sethren]

This is one of the most blatant peaces of Anti-American propaganda I have ever seen

How can an American be anti_American?

This is what is against what traditional america stands for (most americans tend to be very traditional) apart from the secular far-left who wish to change the country in such a radical way that the model of democracy would eventually fail and it would end up being more of a quazi-socialist state. You can be an american but follow an anti-american ideology which can break the traditions and ideals of what this country was founded upon.

There are anti-american people living here who hate this country while others are not hateful but want highly progressive change none the less.

This is an much as i am going to say on the subject because the last thing i want is to get into a complex discussion of the facts vs fiction. I trust The New York Times as much as i trust Fidel Castro to write for Forbes Magazine.


Y'all have fun now, yah here.   

[JimB]

This is one of the most blatant peaces of Anti-American propaganda I have ever seen

How can an American be anti_American?

This is what is against what traditional america stands for (most americans tend to be very traditional)

I understand that. But I have American friends who are what you would seem to call very 'traditional', and with whom I don't see eye to eye with on some subjects, and likewise they with me. However, as much as they don't agree with what I say, they've told me they'd fight to the death for me to be able to say it, which I find to be at odds with threats of Homeland Security when a journalist writes a critical piece.

[Cyber-Angel]

Explanation Time (Rare Occurrence Here...So Enjoy). My argument was that the tone and contents of the article was its self Anti-American, so since the author wasn't mentioned by name then I can not see how that came up, if there is inference in my original post (which I don't think there is) then some one is going to have to ex plane the metaphysics of it to me, as I think (IMHO) my phraseology was clear as to my intent, each word selected to deliver its intended impact.

If by democracy it is meant the classical Greek ideal model of that meaning, then no I don't think that it is (for now at least) achievable, but is a goal that should be worked incrementally toward with the stated aim of been reached in future. Terrorism will always be with us unless you tackle the route causes of it, such as disaffection and social injustice; also this whole thing about about labeling people as terrorists dose have a historical compression and that is how woman (Notably Midwives, but not restricted only to them) where accused of Witchcraft in the Middle Ages, different times, different places and people but basically the same thing.

What we have here is a clash of two fundamentally different cultures and ways of thinking which both have their valid and invalid points of view, one is trying to prevent two many outside influences from eroding what it sees as core values such as faith while the other is trying to protect its people while trying to spread its influence to places where it is weak at this time.

The way you can look at it is this what we call a terrorist some one else might call that same person a freedom fighter, that is to say form their point of view what they are doing at that moment in time seems like the best thing to do, about a given situation or set of grievances at the time; as to them other methods (More peaceful methods) do not seem to be the way forward: cold hard hindsight while all well and good dose not help make an already tense situation better, also history is repleat with missed opportunities and what might have beens.

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Hope that clears the air a little, with debates like this there has to be opposing view points (Fore Vs Against) which is what I try to do; if there was confusion then that was not my intent there are things that I feel strongly about such as in the article that started this thread, though I am not an American doesn't preclude me form standing up for that fine nation should it be needed.



Regards to you.

Cyber-Angel