Hi FrankB: While attempting to be subtle and I am instructing TruDesigns on a tg2 site twist to the question of just "how? do you Catch a monkey" so to speak. If Mohamet cannot go to the mountain then he must make the mountain come to him, and you can catch more flies with sugar than vinegar and all that rot.
Seriously though I am really only telling any new comer to this site to perhaps (in a pinch)consider the silly inside psychology of anyone who you must depend upon for instructive data. If the donor does not choose for whatever reason to give you what you want/need, then you must ask the question!, who? might or (more importantly) has the hypothetical holder of important knowledge given their attention/information to. This may all be rubbish, but it does work (sometimes) for me. I realize that we would all like to think this forum is a model of democracy, freedom and equality, but in truth there is always a complex group of negative as well as positive human factors here and in every facet of our worldwide internet community of strangers. We sometimes learn the best lessons from those instructors who like us least. I believe like the Spartans of old that all God's children must know how to steal the fox, and not get caught as he eats your belly.