Photographic Composition

Started by kevnar, March 28, 2009, 03:17:45 AM

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kevnar

I'm an avid hiker and an avid photography nut, so naturally terragen is a total braingasm for me, especially in winter when hiking opportunities are limited.

In photography class we learned a few basic principles of composition that I try to apply to my terragen renders. I just thought I'd pass these pointers on to you. Here's a few websites that discuss the "rules" of photographic composition. It's great stuff for beginners to think about as they're framing their Terragen scenes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_(visual_arts)

http://photoinf.com/General/KODAK/guidelines_for_better_photographic_composition.html

http://digital-photography-school.com/4-rules-of-composition-for-landscape-photography

http://www.johnharveyphoto.com/LearnComposition/

Now if only Terragen had some way to impliment depth of field without resorting to third-party imaging software.  ;)

-Kr

rcallicotte

There is a way and a tutorial around here by Tangled Universe. 
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Tangled-Universe

Quote from: calico on March 28, 2009, 08:51:03 AM
There is a way and a tutorial around here by Tangled Universe. 

Yep :)

http://nwda.webnode.com/news/creating-a-dof-in-tg2/

and

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=4231.msg46313#msg46313

If you have any questions regarding this, feel free to ask :) However I'm not capable of long sessions currently because I'm recovering from a brain concushion at the moment.
Good luck!

Martin

Tangled-Universe

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on March 28, 2009, 03:17:55 PM
Quote from: calico on March 28, 2009, 08:51:03 AM
There is a way and a tutorial around here by Tangled Universe. 

Yep, I created 2 tutorials regarding DOF-creation in TG2:

http://nwda.webnode.com/news/creating-a-dof-in-tg2/

and

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=4231.msg46313#msg46313

If you have any questions regarding this, feel free to ask :) However I'm not capable of long sessions currently because I'm recovering from a brain concushion at the moment.
Good luck!

Martin

Mohawk20

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|    Double post TU, just as a concussion is alway in the brain (and so a bit double to state).   ;):P


So what happened? My dad just recovered from a concussion he got just by falling of his bike and sliding against the sidewalk.
You have a similar cause or something more interesting?
Howgh!

Tangled-Universe

Oops...I edited the post, but it seems I accidentially pressed "quote" instead of "edit"...concussions tends to give blurry vision sometimes ;)

Thanks for asking and showing interest Mohawk. I smashed heads with an opponent during soccer.
I expect to be back within a week or so. At least, I hope to be fully back then, since I'm having this for 2 weeks already :(

Martin

Mohawk20

Stuff like that can take a while. My dad fell about 6 weeks ago, but it still took him about 15 minutes to tell me how late he wanted me to be at an appointment for him.

So take it easy for a while if you have to, people will understand.

(Though, as you are younger than my dad, you will probably heal quicker.)
Howgh!

rcallicotte

@Martin, please rest.

@Mohawk, I've so sorry to hear about your dad and hope he's recuperating quickly.
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Tangled-Universe

Quote from: Mohawk20 on March 28, 2009, 07:58:51 PM
Stuff like that can take a while. My dad fell about 6 weeks ago, but it still took him about 15 minutes to tell me how late he wanted me to be at an appointment for him.

So take it easy for a while if you have to, people will understand.

(Though, as you are younger than my dad, you will probably heal quicker.)

That sounds a lot more serious than my case...I didn't have any amnesia, luckily. Hope he's ok now!

I'm pretty sure I'm younger than your dad, 27, so I indeed expect to heal some quicker.
Don't have much brains so there isn't a lot to recover from :p lol :)

Quote from: calico on March 28, 2009, 10:50:05 PM
@Martin, please rest.

@Mohawk, I've so sorry to hear about your dad and hope he's recuperating quickly.


Sir, yes Sir ;)

mhaze

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Sorry to hear of your accident TU.hope you recover soon.

These rules are the product of successful practice as percieved by our peers and are thus social and possibly genetic consructs not absolutes. Always remember that rules are there to be broken!!! There is a trend in photography to achieve successful results by breaking the rules similar to the ones that took place in main stream art in the last part of the twentieth century. Its more an exploration of the rule to test its validity. In art there are no rules I suspect photography will also go the same way.

Knowing the rules is important - knowing when to use them and when to break them is a talent that great artists have.

Practice the rules, explore and experiment with them - but don't get so worked up about them that they kill the creativity that you have.


Mick

cyphyr

Concussion is unpleasent at best, chill, take things easy and give yourself time to heal.
Try combining it with sunstroke for added missery (knocked myself out on some rock pools in Ibiza in the 80's)
Hope you both get over it soon.

As regards rules in art, yes they are there to be broken but they are also there to be studied and learnt from. Dont break them just because you can (like a rebelous teenager :) ) but rather see how they can be adapted to new situations. A lot of the time in programms like TG we get great results through happy accident, a bunch of random events combine to give a pleasing result. Taking control over the process and understanding why the "law of thirds" or the "Golden mean" make a great image, for example, is key to progressing beyond these "rules".

Take care

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mhall

"Rules" in art aren't so much rules - as in you MUST do this - as they are observed similarities between pieces of artwork that generate pleasant or desired responses in their viewers. These similarities have been observed and codified into compositional guidelines.

The "rule" of thirds or "golden mean" are tools which have been shown to create a desired effect in the viewer - keeping their views within the piece or drawing their attention to specific elements.

Of course they can be disregarded, but invalidating them because of a knee jerk reaction to the word "rule" should definitely be avoided. They are tools used to better communicate with the viewer. Disregarding them may be sometimes necessary to the effect you want to create in the piece, but - by far more often than not - they aid the work and it is best to know them and their value than to decide that, as one is an artist, they should not follow "rules".

This is posted only as a general observation over years of visiting photography and other art forums in which I have seen so many people proclaim their skill an artistry such that they do not need to know any "rules". To me, as a photographer, it's akin to saying that you don't need to know the tools of exposure, depth of field, lens selection, the effects diffraction, flare, sensor bloom, the effects of shutter vibration at key speeds,  etc., etc. The rules of composition are a tool. The more tools you know and can use without thought, the more unfettered your creativity will be.

I recently saw in a Lightwave video that they have begun including compositional overlays in the camera view - I think this is an addition of another great tool - and it would be a great idea for Terragen to do something similar.

Ignore them when called for, but definitely get to know the "rules" of composition so that you can know WHEN they will not aid in the message or effect you are striving for.

Regards,
Micheal

kevnar

It occurs to me, you can use the Do Crop tool as guidelines to line up your compositions for the rule of thirds.

For an 800 x 600 render for example, you'd set the Do Crop to 266 pixels in from the left and right, and 200 pixels in from the top and bottom. Then you've got a nice red guide ruler to place your points of interest a third of the way into the image. Shut off the Do Crop once it's lined up and you're ready to rock.

TG2 might benefit from guide rulers that you can toggle on and off in setting up your shots. It would be a nice extra feature for those who want to use it.

kevnar

An image just finished. I was trying to work with the rule of thirds and the rule of odds here. I kept the set up minimal, trying to go for a bare, empty feeling. The sand could be darker and smoother, but I wasn't sure how to do that.

rcallicotte

Go to the beginner's tutorials.  There's another thread for documentation in which you can learn all of the necessary fundamentals to begin applying what you learn.
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