President of the United States Conrol the Internet?

Started by rcallicotte, August 31, 2009, 03:19:16 pm

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old_blaggard

Eh... there's probably loads of legalese that would need to be ironed out to keep this in check, but I'm perfectly fine with the president being allowed to rapidly respond to DDOS attacks and other potentially catastrophic attacks. While as a whole, the government doesn't have a great track record with security, keep in mind that it's *lack* of government regulation over the past couple of decades that has allowed numerous unfortunate events to unfold within the technology and communications industry (Microsoft's anticompetitive stuff in the mid to late 90s, and Comcast/Time Warner Cable/etc. refusing to build up the internet's backbone in the US because they have an oligarchy in the sector).

That said, if implemented poorly, this bill could be bad news. But it's something to watch carefully now, not something to freak out about as many of the bloggers in that link have done.
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rcallicotte

From a friend, explaining something more clearly than I've heard the news stations explain -

"I figure this "economic crisis", which was manufactured by our Congress through the passing of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 (yes this whole economic catastrophe is manufactured by our own government) most likely will not be over for a couple of years if not a decade or more.  You see Rob, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the Glass-Steagall Act which was passed right after the Great Depression to prevent another Great Depression.  What it did was make the merging of Investment Banks and Commercial Banks illegal and also made all these lending practices illegal.  Well, they repealed the Glass-Steagall act and made all this possible once again just like it was before the Great Depression.  It was deliberate.  Also, Obama's first 100 days in office were patterned after FDR who passed all sorts of Socialist legislation back then.  All the ABC  agencies were created back when FDR came to power in his first 100 days.  ABC Agencies are all the agencies that have acronyms.  So why would they do this?  Well, all you have to do is look at all the government takeover of private business to see what their motivation is, it's a huge power grab.  Now they want to take over health insurance too.  Next they want to tax energy massively with "Cap and Trade" which is Al Gore's "BTU Tax".  This catastrophe is predominantly being caused by the Democratic party and RINO's, Republicans In Name Only (which seems to me what most Republicans are anymore anyways).  If they get all this done, you and I will be utterly immobilized because they will be taking all your extra income over what your basic necessities are to survive.  We will be as Socialist as many European nations are.  It's not a conspiracy, it's simply what is happening. "

It might have been pure stupidity or insolent rebellion against common sense, but our government's desire for control is why we're in this mess.  I'd say giving more BLIND control isn't going to assist us. 
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matrix2003

HI BILLY MAYS HERE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!  YEP THE INTERNET AND ALL YOUR BASE BELONG TO US!  RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. IT'S ALL MINE. MINE I TELL YA  AARRRGGhHhhh .....
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Matrix is a spirit channeler now. What have we come to? :-\
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Thelby

It's interesting to see how the United States resembles the Roman Empire right before they fell!!!

Henry Blewer

I find a lot of parallels with 4th century Rome. End of civilization? No. But there is going to be a huge change.
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PG

Are you referring to the pacing effect? The faster a civilization grows the faster it will fall?
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Henry Blewer

No, more like the rampant overspending. The economic polarization of classes. A lack of foresight maintaining infrastructure. A general hate-rid of the USA for it's foreign policy.
Rome had all these problems, which lead to the splintering of the empire.
I hope it never happens. We have too many tech toys (weapons) which might get used. Plus, I love my country.
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efflux

Unfortunately most of what is in that quote from Calico is true except it's not socialism, it's more like fascism or national socialism.

I've talked a few times on here about these issues. I could write twenty pages of messages on the topic. The trouble is it's hard to explain and mostly concentrates on the US. This is because the US is the most important country and the one country that can change everything.

The basic goal of the elitists who control the banking system etc is to destroy the nation state which is the highest achievement of civilization but no good to banking elites. The US is target numero uno because the people there can destroy their efforts. It's why it seems like politicians are actually working against the people of nation states. This is exactly what they are actually doing with "globalization".

pfrancke

October 10, 2009, 09:26:32 pm #11 Last Edit: October 10, 2009, 09:29:48 pm by pfrancke
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I am not as optimistic as you guys are.  If it was a sophisticated power control move, then I could at least feel that someone was at the helm.  I see this as blatant and raw theft with the overarching characteristics of stupidity and greed as the driving forces.  What most amazes me is how blatant it has become.  In simple terms, it is like a miss-understood power fractal gone awry.  If the scale isn't understood and controlled with understanding and vision, you're not going to get what you want.  For instance, If I steal 50 cents from the coffee fund, and get caught, my reputation takes a hit.  If I steal 150 dollars from a drug store during a flood, I might just catch a bullet in my head from the police officer that is protecting life and property.  If I steal 15,000 dollars from my relatives, then it is said that mom didn't raise me right.  And if I steal 500 Million from the government, it is said that I am a businessman.  I fear that those at the helm are but thugs and thieves looking out only for themselves.  And a shame it is that we let it come to that.

rcallicotte

October 11, 2009, 01:35:45 pm #12 Last Edit: October 12, 2009, 01:32:15 pm by calico
@pfrancke - The idea that this is all being caused by some who love to get away with having their own way, when it means damaging everyone in their path and winning their pot of gold, is exactly what the real problem is.  If that is what you mean, we completely agree.  We've given criminals the keys to the "kingdom".

It diminishes the clarity of this understanding a bit to say that people who are sociopaths are best suited as actors and politicians, but that is what seems to be the real deal.
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PG

Personally I think the structure of politics is it's real flaw. To get elected you have to choose a party that best fits your ideals (you can stand as an independant but you'd never get anywhere) and then you simply bend your views to whatever the public wants to hear at the time in order to get elected, then you revert back to whatever it is that you actually believe in or are getting paid for.

They keep going on about moral foundations and yet seem to have none of their own. We haven't seen enough of Obama yet to know what his intentions are, to do so within his first year would be moronic, but we're seeing it in the UK with the Tories. For the last year they have said nothing of their own policies and have spent that time pointing out how bad Gordon Brown is. Now the election is rolling around (campaigns start in may, a month before the general election)  they make grand gestures of how they want to save Britain from the quagmire that Gordon Brown has set us in.

Well where was this a year ago. They said he was doing an awful job then but didn't have any better ideas of their own. Any minor trickle of policy ideas came from back benchers as a slip of the tongue. They cater to complaints, they all do. If we moan about something they use that to get elected and then do sod all about it.
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efflux

October 17, 2009, 07:56:58 pm #14 Last Edit: October 17, 2009, 08:13:53 pm by efflux
They would shut down the internet tomorrow if they could easily do this and they will try to find a reason to do it because via the internet you can find out everything that is going on or even more important, what has happened in the past. If you look into the proper history of the British Empire you will understand. This still exists. It loots out nation states and has been doing this for hundreds of years. Now it is back and looting out nations once again - to do away with them. This is why we have all this discrediting of politicians even if they are not that bad like the expenses scandal in the UK - completely irrelevant compared to the banking bail out scandal. The idea is that representatives of the people, especially in Republics, are to be destroyed so that psychopathic feudalist oligarchies can rule again. It doesn't matter to them how many billions of people may die in the process, in fact that is part of their aim.

The US (like other nations i.e. United Kingdom) are bankrupt corporations. The people and their property are collateral for this bankruptcy. You birth certificate is traded like stock. Exactly like a slave. Lawyers have to swear oath to lie about this bankruptcy. The British Law Society runs all the bankruptcy. The Federal Reserve essentially owns the US and the people. The main shareholders are also the Queen's stock broker. It's not possible to find out everything the British Royal family are involved in but the "Crown" (not just the queen) owns much of the wealth of the planet. Obama is simply a puppet dictator no different from many leaders in other countries like Africa. The idea is to loot the USA and reduce it to the level of Africa. Zimbabwe fought back but not in good method that's why they have been destroyed. To think that the US is being looted down to third world status deliberately without the people doing anything about it is unbelievable to the rest of the world. In the UK, I can understand the apathy. Here, most people are brain dead zombies with no idea about true freedom and responsibility.

Once you study the history, it all fits like a glove - wars created by the British Empire to force nations into Bankruptcy. The American civil war was no exception. The US was made into a corporation to pay debts to the British for this. The dates all fit into a perfect pattern. The British Empire backs both sides as they always do. Hitler, Stalin etc etc. You name them - British Empire creations. The French Revolution was another.

The last US president who at least had intentions to try to change this was Kennedy. He made a speech about the conspiracy to destroy the US. He talked about secret societies etc. Shorty afterwards he was killed.