If you donated to Red Cross, see this vid

Started by penang, May 16, 2010, 11:49:29 PM

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cyphyr

Why the cheesy "smiley faces" ?
If its as bad as that why laugh?
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leafspring

Now that was profound. He visited two camps and asked two people. One of them even stated that they regularely get vaccine shots and a few seconds later the guy says to not be able to find the (little) money spend for medical care...
Oh, and he tested one water tank to check if the money spend for water can be found. That's what I call a sample!
Seriously, that guy is naive about what it really costs to help 2 million (or more) people with food, water, shelter and medical care and his 'search' is ridiculous. How about asking officials or at least anyone who has an overview over the situation instead of two camp inhabitants that might not even be absolutely honest?
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Walli

if I remember right, than you said that those people down there doesn´t deserve help from "us civilized" people. Now you see what we civilized people do. Pretty much the counterproof of all you said in "your famous" thread.


Kadri

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Quote from: Walli on May 17, 2010, 04:57:36 AM
if I remember right, than you said that those people down there doesn´t deserve help from "us civilized" people. Now you see what we civilized people do. Pretty much the counterproof of all you said in "your famous" thread.

"I see bad people everywhere !"

There is so much to say...If i did that topic i wouldn't post this one . Do you like scratching old wounds Penang?
Or is this kind of an " excuse me i was wrong " thing ( although i doubt it) ?

Edit : Of course you can do what you want , but it would be better if you lock this topic Penang.

Seth

WHAT ?!
They are still haitians alive ?!

c'mon, nuke 'em all !

We, civilized people, should send them some good old cholera and Ebola viruses now :)
Oh wait, I'm sure Penang has a better idea to get rid of that kind of people (if we can call them that way) !

Just think of something... Penang is a kind of non-civilised state if we follow your mind... maybe you should join them, man.

neuspadrin

Didn't bother watching the whole thing, but seemed like it was a pretty bad excuse of an "investigation".  Hitting a small few of camps, small sample of questions/people asked.  Also if anything, the people saying "oh they just stopped buy gave us shots and water" .... TWO MOST IMPORTANT VITAL THINGS after this kind of disaster.  Water is the highest priority for humans to remain alive, and shots is very vital when living conditions suddenly change like this and could spread diseases quickly which would make things much worse.  So shots and water is the best way to keep the most people alive possible.

It's all about scale.  And 106 million isn't that much money for a 2 month period.  It sounds like a lot.... but the cost of iraq/afghanistan is approaching ONE TRILLION.

If anything all this proves is the red cross needs more money to be able to get more help out there because theres more to be done.

GM, the banks, etc get billions of dollars in bailout money for screwing up (aka, exploiting the markets then going oops we are too big to fail, save us). The people in charge of those companies are the crooks, the ones who shouldn't be considered people penang.

Haitians had a horrible disaster happen to them they couldn't control.

How does criticizing a VOLUNTEER type organization, that only makes money via donations for not making life perfect in EVERY region equally going to help the situation?  They try to do the best they can with what they have, and thats what counts.

rcallicotte

I'm not watching the video to try to stay objective.

Red Cross has high overhead.  Other groups who do similar activities do not have such high overhead, which means more percentage of the donated money goes to helping someone.  It seemed ludicrous to me that we waited weeks before helping, which looked like a control issue with the Red Cross. 

This shouldn't be that difficult.
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Oshyan

I'm trusting you guys not to let this thread deteriorate too much. Don't let me down. ;D

- Oshyan

penang

Dunno what to make of the following article. Since it is related to Haiti I am posting here.

I will not add any comment nor smileys nor nothing else those hotheads gonna heap trump up charge on me again.

Note: This is a long article.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/04/23/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women/

We are not your weapons – we are women

By Amanda Kijera, civic journalist and activist in Haiti

Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women's organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight "the man" on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.

It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn't care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.

Accepting the helplessness of my situation, I chucked aside the Haiti bracelet I had worn so proudly for over a year, along with it, my dreams of human liberation. Someone, I told myself, would always be bigger and stronger than me. As a woman, my place in life had been ascribed from birth. A Chinese proverb says that "women are like the grass, meant to be stepped on." The thought comforted me at the same time that it made me cringe.

A dangerous thought. Others like it have derailed movements, discouraged consciousness and retarded progress for centuries. To accept it as truth signals the beginning of the end of a person–or community's–life and ability to self-love. Resignation means inertia, and for the past two weeks I have inhabited its innards. My neighbors here include women from all over the world, but it's the women of African descent, and particularly Haitian women, who move me to write now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e51mYh5o2Do

Truly, I have witnessed as a journalist and human rights advocate the many injustices inflicted upon Black men in this world. The pain, trauma and rage born of exploitation are terrors that I have grappled with every day of my life. They make one want to strike back, to fight rabidly for what is left of their personal dignity in the wake of such things. Black men have every right to the anger they feel in response to their position in the global hierarchy, but their anger is misdirected.

Women are not the source of their oppression; oppressive policies and the as-yet unaddressed white patriarchy which still dominates the global stage are. Because women–and particularly women of color–are forced to bear the brunt of the Black male response to the Black male plight, the international community and those nations who have benefitted from the oppression of colonized peoples have a responsibility to provide women with the protection that they need.

The United Nations, western women's organizations and the Haitian government must immediately provide women in Haiti with the funding that they need to build domestic violence and rape crisis centers. Stop dividing Black families by distributing solely to women, which only exaggerates male resentment and frustration in Haiti. Provide both women and men with job training programs that would allow for self-sufficiency as opposed to continued dependency on whites. Lastly, admit that the issue of racial integration might still need addressing on an international level, and then find a way to address it!

I went to Haiti after the earthquake to empower Haitians to self-sufficiency. I went to remind them of the many great contributions that Afro-descendants have made to this world, and of their amazing resilience and strength as a people. Not once did I envision myself becoming a receptacle for a Black man's rage at the white world, but that is what I became. While I take issue with my brother's behavior, I'm grateful for the experience. It woke me up, made me understand on a deeper level the terror that my sisters deal with daily. This in hand, I feel comfortable in speaking for Haitian women, and for myself, in saying that we will not be your pawns, racially, politically, economically or otherwise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4ezFaQwy1U

We are women, not weapons of war. Thankfully, there are organizations here in Haiti who continues to fight for women's human rights like, MADRE, SOFA and Enfofanm.

Rather than allowing myself to be used in such a fashion, and as opposed to submitting to the frustration and bitterness that can be born of such an experience, I choose to continue to love and educate instead. My brothers can be sensitized to women's realities in Haiti and the world over if these are presented to them by using their own clashes with racism and oppression as a starting point.

They must be made to understand the dangerous likelihood of the oppressed becoming the oppressor if no shift in consciousnesses takes place and if no end to the cycle of trauma occurs. I intend to see that it does...by continuing to live and work fearlessly with justice in mind, through the creation of a safe space for women in Haiti and by creating programming for Haitian men that considers their needs, too. Weapons annihilate, dialogue bears fruit.

It's the fruit I'm interested in now, no matter how strange or bruised it might appear.

leafspring

I find people who talk of members of their race as brothers and sisters a little...weird. Besides, isn't that a sign of racism as well? All people who are of the same skin color are brothers and sisters, everybody else is something less...
Anyway, I don't really get the idea of the article. I get what she wants to say but how does it relate to women as a weapon of war? And black men in haiti raping women because they are lower in the global hierachy? Sure, the guy isn't a frakking rapist, he's just angry at "the white world". Because that's what you do when you are angry, you rape women. And if a black man is angry at the white world he of course rapes a black woman. Makes sense to me.
Seriously, the whole article is a little far fetched and quite incoherent in my opinion.

P.S.: And I think she's the only one who'd be "grateful for the experience" of rape.
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Seth

"    At the root of this absolution is a desire to push personal responsibility on the collective. Unfortunately, the collective was not in that room that night. One man raped one woman.

   He alone is responsible. Excusing his behavior is a moral travesty. A society unravels when evil cannot be named and shamed.

   Forget collective guilt. It is a collective shame that this sort of thinking permeates liberal thought. This belief in action will utterly destroy society should it go unchallenged."  Melissa Clouthier about Amanda Kijera rape.



It made me think of Ted Bundy blaming pornography on TV for his rapes and murders ;D



neuspadrin

If you want to find the evils of any society, you can easily find them.  There is always that percentage of bad going on everywhere.  If you want to look for it go ahead.  But I could just as easily look up wherever you are from and find just as horrible articles about where you live.  Any of us for that.  Thats just how the world is, each person is different.  Some are good people, some are horrible.  To make generalizations about a race, country, or any group of people based off a small sample doesn't prove anything.

rcallicotte

The greatest deterrent to mental illness is accepting responsibility for our own outcome.


Quote from: Seth on May 18, 2010, 12:50:17 PM
"    At the root of this absolution is a desire to push personal responsibility on the collective. Unfortunately, the collective was not in that room that night. One man raped one woman.

   He alone is responsible. Excusing his behavior is a moral travesty. A society unravels when evil cannot be named and shamed.

   Forget collective guilt. It is a collective shame that this sort of thinking permeates liberal thought. This belief in action will utterly destroy society should it go unchallenged."  Melissa Clouthier about Amanda Kijera rape.



It made me think of Ted Bundy blaming pornography on TV for his rapes and murders ;D



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