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Title: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 02:44:43 pm
Hi,

I'm learning to create trees in XFrog.

Feel free to download two Autumn Trees, Maple and Red Oak.

You may already have similar trees but, enjoy them anyway.

As my skill level increases I will post a variety of trees and ground cover for members of the Forum to download.

http://web.me.com/marcgebhart1/New_Site_Under_Constuction/AutumnTrees.html

If you have problems with the trees, let me know. I tested them on this end and they worked perfect.

Marc

Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 15, 2009, 03:07:12 pm
Thank you Marc. More trees are a good thing. I will enjoy using them, they look great.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Kadri on November 15, 2009, 03:08:15 pm
MGebhart i personally love to having more trees but are this fully original? You may have problems otherwise distributing these.
Here was a time that one person had problems...no need to dig up old wounds.

http://forums.planetside.co.uk/index.php?topic=4425.0    one example of this kind of topics.

Just that you know in case if you not...
Otherwise have fun and thanks  :)

Kadri.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 15, 2009, 03:11:18 pm
I believe he is using XFrog. I am not sure, but I think Walli is using XFrog for his plants.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 03:12:54 pm
Yes, these were created from the ground-up however, I did use samples in XFrog as a guide to create them. I'm still learning and I need to see end results as I put together the trunk, branches and leaf components. I hope this is not an issue with Greenworks.

Kadri,

I read the Topic you provided. My feeling is this, what's the point of purchasing XFrog with all the alleged restrictions. My intention is not to sell for profit. I'm confident many will disagree with my interpretation but, I could care less. If Greeworks feels they need to go after me so be it. I can't imagine they would use the resources and cost to chase me down. I had the same problem when I modeled Cessna Aircraft for the simulator XPlane. They did contact me. All I had to do was NOT use the Cessna name and Logo and all was well.  The attached image is the cessna model which was modified by the person I turned my company over to. (Cessnas only)

http://www.c74.net/xplane/

Marc

Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 15, 2009, 03:15:20 pm
Create a readme file and give Greenworks' XFrog credit. Give a link to their site. Maybe add some comments about how useful the program is. Flattery and promotion are never wasted.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Kadri on November 15, 2009, 03:24:09 pm
Maybe users like Walli and such can say more specific things. But if they are fully from ground-up there may not problems. Don't use original trees and textures.
Then there is not a problem i think. Reading the XFrog licence carefully would help too.

These are not nice things to say but i want only that you are cautious for yourself  :)

Cheers.

Kadri.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 03:30:12 pm
Henry,

I will include a text file containing the information you suggested. Thanks for the tip.

Man, this sure is a lot of work. :-\

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Kadri on November 15, 2009, 03:51:40 pm
Quote from: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 03:30:12 pm
...I will include a text file containing the information...


I didn't want to say anything more (I share your feelings)... but there is a   but.
If there are  original textures or objects in your trees i don't think that will help.

If only there was not such restrictions ! These firms want/needs to make money  and this is a long debate i can not further keep on with my english  :)

Anyway...
I downloaded it  and thanks again MGebhart.

Kadri.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 04:01:47 pm
OK. I'm bored now.  ;D

Thanks,

Marc

Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Kadri on November 15, 2009, 04:14:33 pm
Sorry  ;D
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 15, 2009, 06:24:18 pm
Kadri,

I'm just messing around. I appreciate your input. If this ends up being a problem I will just remove the post.

Thanks again,

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Walli on November 15, 2009, 06:32:35 pm
Well, I am not only using Xfrog to model the plants I give away, or the few I am offering on nwda or on turbosquid for example. Apart from that: If you know my real name (which is not hard to find out) and compare that to the splash screen of Xfrog 3.5 for example, or with the pdf´s that come with Xfrog products, then you´ll notice something ;-)

All content created and delivered by Xfrog is of course copyrighted by Xfrog. You are not allowed to give away models or textures, that have been created by Xfrog/Greenworks. You are not allowed to take original models, change them and give them away, let it be for free or on a commercial base. And Xfrog of course is interested in protecting its property. I mean, you are also not allowed to take parts of the code of Terragen and redistribute.
However, you can of course create your own textures and models from scratch. They are yours.

By the way, the trees look nice.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 16, 2009, 09:03:44 am
I am going to redo the trees and make them radically different. They should be done in a couple days.

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Zairyn Arsyn on November 16, 2009, 09:31:22 am
i look forward to seeing what you come up with. :)

its always nice to have more trees.
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 16, 2009, 01:16:27 pm
Here is a Texas Red Oak. I will get around to the Maple later. This is a higher resolution tree.

Again, let me know if you have import problems.

http://web.me.com/marcgebhart1/New_Site_Under_Constuction/AutumnTrees.html

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: TheBlackHole on November 16, 2009, 03:45:10 pm
Quote from: Walli on November 15, 2009, 06:32:35 pm
Well, I am not only using Xfrog to model the plants I give away, or the few I am offering on nwda or on turbosquid for example. Apart from that: If you know my real name (which is not hard to find out) and compare that to the splash screen of Xfrog 3.5 for example, or with the pdf´s that come with Xfrog products, then you´ll notice something ;-)

All content created and delivered by Xfrog is of course copyrighted by Xfrog. You are not allowed to give away models or textures, that have been created by Xfrog/Greenworks. You are not allowed to take original models, change them and give them away, let it be for free or on a commercial base. And Xfrog of course is interested in protecting its property. I mean, you are also not allowed to take parts of the code of Terragen and redistribute.
However, you can of course create your own textures and models from scratch. They are yours.

By the way, the trees look nice.

I don't quite understand. Does XFrog own everything you make with it?  ???
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 16, 2009, 03:54:46 pm
If you use Xfrog to build trees, plants, ground cover, etc. you must create, from scratch, the geometry and all associated textures. You may not distribute any models created by Greenworks. These are the ready made trees, plants etc. that ship with or are purchased separately for Xfrog. You may use their models in your personal renderings just don't give them to other people.

The trees, plants etc. that you create (in Xfrog) from the ground up, using your geometry and textures, may be sold or given away.

Walli, in my opinion, is the last word on this since he works for or contributes to Greenworks.  

This is my understanding also, this topic is getting tiresome.

Marc

If a bus station is where a bus stops, and a train station is where a train stops, then what happens at a workstation? Where the work stops.

"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - Shakespeare  :)
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: schmeerlap on November 16, 2009, 06:49:50 pm
I downloaded your Red Oak. It'll come in useful for the TG2 challenge "Autumn Colours" over at Renderosity.

Thanks Marc

John
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 16, 2009, 07:08:01 pm
You are welcome, John.

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: otakar on November 16, 2009, 11:45:09 pm
Thank you for the trees.  Any chance you can make some with just a few leaves left? 8)
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Walli on November 17, 2009, 03:26:19 am
don´t want to redirect this thread into a "laywer thread", as the download Marc provides is much to nice for that.

Just those last comments:
- I am not the last instance and don´t have the last word ;-)
- @TheBlackHole, don´t mix up Xfrog the software and the maker Xfrog.inc (or Greenworks Gbr) of the software Xfrog. Xfrog.inc owns the software and of course owns all materials that are shipped together with the software. But it of course does not own what you create completely on your own.
Just compare to a different application, like max or maya. Of course you can sell what you create with this app - but you can´t take the demo materials/objects that ship with the soft and sell those.


And now please concentrate on those beautiful trees ;-)
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: inkydigit on November 17, 2009, 05:34:45 am
thanks Marc...more trees is always good!
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: Henry Blewer on November 17, 2009, 07:46:05 am
I did a test render of the other trees. I really liked them.  :(
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: MGebhart on November 17, 2009, 03:00:16 pm
Here is the Maple Tree I promised.

Again, let me know if you have import problems.

http://web.me.com/marcgebhart1/New_Site_Under_Constuction/AutumnTrees.html

Marc
Title: Re: Autumn Trees
Post by: inkydigit on November 18, 2009, 05:27:32 am
thanks again!
:)