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Title: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 21, 2010, 07:54:34 pm
Should be a cause for alarm !

Someone brought in explosive, attempting to board a plane.

When detected, the suspect got away.

What are the Germans doing?

How can they let a terrorist get away like that?

How many people have to die before the West realize that this is no longer a game?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Henry Blewer on January 21, 2010, 08:38:25 pm
All we are hearing about here is Haiti.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:04:53 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 21, 2010, 08:38:25 pmAll we are hearing about here is Haiti.
Isn't that something?

While terrorists are plotting to kill innocent people, people are focusing all their attention on Haiti.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Henry Blewer on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 am
At least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 amAt least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
That is another thing that I do not understand --- What has US got to do with the quake in Haiti?

Even if US is guilty of supporting self-serving dictators in Haiti that still doesn't dissolve the responsibility of Haitian themselves of being totally useless in determining their own destiny.

Look at the looting and the fighting and the displaying of corpses and the world knows that the Haitians don't deserve any help at all.

15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.

Disgusting ... that is the word I reserve for Haiti.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Walli on January 22, 2010, 04:38:21 am
no one brought explosives as it looks like. It´s pretty safe that it was just a false alarm and the person probably boarded a person. The security made a big mistake as they just let him walk away - I mean, it could have been someone with explosives. But it seems it wan´t the case.

And in general I think you have a strange point of view.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: FrankB on January 22, 2010, 05:41:30 am
Quote from: Walli on January 22, 2010, 04:38:21 am
And in general I think you have a strange point of view.


second that.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Kadri on January 22, 2010, 05:56:44 am
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 amAt least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
That is another thing that I do not understand --- What has US got to do with the quake in Haiti?

Even if US is guilty of supporting self-serving dictators in Haiti that still doesn't dissolve the responsibility of Haitian themselves of being totally useless in determining their own destiny.

Look at the looting and the fighting and the displaying of corpses and the world knows that the Haitians don't deserve any help at all.

15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.

Disgusting ... that is the word I reserve for Haiti.


Penang there can be many things said about your  words , but...   They are human...I think you are too ? ? ?

Kadri.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 22, 2010, 11:21:24 am
Quote from: Walli on January 22, 2010, 04:38:21 am

And in general I think you have a strange point of view.


yup !

Quote from: penang on January 21, 2010, 07:54:34 pm

What are the Germans doing?


whatever they want to do in their own country, not expecting to receive lesson from anyone not german, i guess.

Quote from: penang on January 21, 2010, 07:54:34 pm
How can they let a terrorist get away like that?



terrorist ? he was just an orthodox jew wearing his religious stuff and praying !!!


looks like Bin Laden worked for US before becoming the terrorist we all know... how can USA let a terrorist getting away like that ? ;D
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Henry Blewer on January 22, 2010, 11:52:46 am
We seem to produce a lot of them. :'(
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Gannaingh on January 22, 2010, 01:19:41 pm
How does the U.S. not have an obligation to help Haiti? We are the richest and most powerful nation in the world, so much so that even a tiny fraction of our wealth would do wonders for relieving the poverty the poor people in Haiti are enduring. Are people so fiercely nationalistic that we can't help people in need even if they are from another country? I do not condone the looting that is going on, but they are much more desperate than any of us. We sit here worrying about buying new $1000 plus computers while they live off of $1 a day or less. Penang, before you go judging the people in Haiti you should consider how you would react in their situation.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Bluestorm on January 22, 2010, 01:26:22 pm
For one day the German news were full of this story, and most reports were far too hysterical on the subject. I think Walli and Frank can second that.

I've flewn a lot of times from Munich airport to other countries, and security in Munich isn't executed in any other way than on other airports. In fact, Munich is considered to be one of Europe's best organized and most modern airports. But that doesn't mean a human being who works as a security guard can't make a mistake for once. Of course it shouldn't ever happen, especially if you have such a responsible job, but we are all human and make mistakes. A German politcian said something about this being a human failure and not a technical or organisational problem, and he suggested using more personnel to avoid such incidents in the future. In my opinion this was the only reaction that wasn't completely inappropriate. I bet the guy who made the mistake feels really bad anyway, he doesn't need to be punished additionally.

And about your strange point of view...I second that as well. Maybe you should look beyond the borders of your own country - wherever you may live - and stop being so disrespectful about other nationalities and people who suffer from nature's catastrophes such as the victims of Haiti. If anything's disgusting, it's your coldness and missing sympathy.

One final note, just for the record: I've been to the USA for five times now, and seldom I've met so many friendly and heartwarming people. Other nations can learn a lot from America in terms of friendlyness and service.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Jack on January 22, 2010, 09:35:06 pm
lets stick you in the middle of port au prince and see how you react you seem to give me the impression that you think Haitians are primitive sub human savages. how would you react if you had lost all your family you hadn't had any food for a week along with filthy water you had to live with the awful smell of decaying flesh and the constant sight of the dead and the screams of the dying any human would be effected by it. wouldnt you fight in the street for a food package so you could feed you starving family i know i would.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 08:10:55 am
The words "primitive sub human savages" came from you, not me :)

Sure, the United States of America is responsible for every single thing that is happening all around the world.

Until when?

Until the United States itself ran out of money?

And you think the world will help you back?

Charity begins at home, my friends.

The Haitians ain't gonna thank you just because you care. Instead, they are angry at you because you guys aren't giving them GOOD FOOD !

There have been too many of these reports, of quake victims lining up to get food, took a bite and threw it away, and then they start a loud protest, scaring away the very people who went to Haiti to help the quake victims.
Quote from: wetbanana on January 22, 2010, 09:35:06 pmlets stick you in the middle of port au prince and see how you react you seem to give me the impression that you think Haitians are primitive sub human savages. how would you react if you had lost all your family you hadn't had any food for a week along with filthy water you had to live with the awful smell of decaying flesh and the constant sight of the dead and the screams of the dying any human would be effected by it. wouldnt you fight in the street for a food package so you could feed you starving family i know i would.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: FrankB on January 23, 2010, 10:25:05 am
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 08:10:55 am
Sure, the United States of America is responsible for every single thing that is happening all around the world.


There is a strong difference between being responsible for something and having an obligation for something.
Wealthier countries do have an obligation to help, and that arises from the fundamental understanding of mercy and empathy, both of which are characteristics of a well developed human being. Whereas selfishness, anger and envy are at the very bottom of emotional scales.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: neuspadrin on January 23, 2010, 12:20:39 pm
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.


And both China and Japan are considered much more advanced and have the resources for disaster relief of their own country.

Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 08:10:55 am
The Haitians ain't gonna thank you just because you care. Instead, they are angry at you because you guys aren't giving them GOOD FOOD !

There have been too many of these reports, of quake victims lining up to get food, took a bite and threw it away, and then they start a loud protest, scaring away the very people who went to Haiti to help the quake victims.


I haven't seen any or these "too many" reports.  Link?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Kadri on January 23, 2010, 12:42:27 pm
Guys , don't bother to change his mind. He says basically " There are some bad guys , thus all Haitians should die ! "

He should be happy that this forum people here are nice . In another forum there would be many nasty posts until now.

I am out of here !

Kadri.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: JimB on January 23, 2010, 07:28:18 pm
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 amAt least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
That is another thing that I do not understand --- What has US got to do with the quake in Haiti?

Even if US is guilty of supporting self-serving dictators in Haiti that still doesn't dissolve the responsibility of Haitian themselves of being totally useless in determining their own destiny.

Look at the looting and the fighting and the displaying of corpses and the world knows that the Haitians don't deserve any help at all.

15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.

Disgusting ... that is the word I reserve for Haiti.


New Orleans ring a bell? The Superdome?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:35:30 pm
Quote from: FrankB on January 23, 2010, 10:25:05 am
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 08:10:55 am
Sure, the United States of America is responsible for every single thing that is happening all around the world.
Wealthier countries do have an obligation to help, and that arises from the fundamental understanding of mercy and empathy
Sorry, you are deluding yourself.

The obligation and responsibility rests on oneself. Whether that entity is a person or a nation, if that entity doesn't want to help itself, it's time to let it rot.

The first time the "Save the Hungry African Children" campaign came out, I pitched in. It was horrendous to see children starved to death.

Then the same "Save the Hungry African Children" campaign happen every year, and I got to thinking ... what happened?

Then I really look at what happened ... and find out the ugly truth

Many African farmers faced the serious drought the first year. Their crops were destroyed and many died of starvation.

The world pitched in, help feed them.

So the farmers and their family moved into areas where they can get free food.

Next year, rain came.

But the farmers and their families still stay inside the "free food area".

Instead of going back to their farms to farm, they stay.

Why?

Why not?

Why does one have to work hard to farm for food when one can just sit there, do nothing, and get feed?

So the problem is this --- We want to help them, and we create NEW PROBLEMS.

New problems like DEPENDENCIES --- instead of like before, those African farmers work their farm to grow crops, now they don't do that anymore. They just live in the "free food area" and expect food to be given to them, FREE !

And that brings out yet another problem --- POPULATION INCREASE !

Yes.

Without having to work at their farm, without having to toil for their crops, the farmers have extra free time and use that extra time to have more "loving relationship" with their wives.

Results? MORE BABIES !

By the time the next drought came, sure enough, more babies mean more mouths to feed, and SOME BABIES die of hunger.

And again, the news papers, the tee vees, showing us all the footage of skinny little babies, hungry babies, babies died of starvation and malnutrition.

You need to know one basic fact --- and that is, that piece of land in that place can only feed so many people. Let's say 10 Million. More than that number of people, food will be scarce.

The way we help them is to create the opportunities for the population figures to BLOOM, to way more than 10 Million.

Which means, even in the time where there are rain, even if the farmers all go back to their farm to plant and take care of their crops, FOOD WILL STILL BE NOT ENOUGH, and STARVATION WILL SET IN !

So it becomes a vicious spiral.

The more people they have, the more starvation. The more starvation, the more aids pouring in. And that brings out even more chance to make even more new babies, which goes back to the beginning --- more people they have, more starvation.

When will this end?

Saying something like "wealthier nations have the obligation to help" does sound nice, but in practical, it will create MORE problems, for both the poorer nations, and their wealthier counterparts.

If the Haitians (the majority) don't want to help themselves, let them be.

Just leave them to sort out their own problems for themselves.

They way the Haitians are treating the world community as if we owe them something.

That we ***MUST*** help them.

Really?

In this world nobody owes anybody anything !

Certainly the world owes Haiti NOTHING !

If they do not want to help themselves, let them rot.

I for one, will not care !
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:38:04 pm
Quote from: JimB on January 23, 2010, 07:28:18 pm
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 amAt least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
That is another thing that I do not understand --- What has US got to do with the quake in Haiti?

Even if US is guilty of supporting self-serving dictators in Haiti that still doesn't dissolve the responsibility of Haitian themselves of being totally useless in determining their own destiny.

Look at the looting and the fighting and the displaying of corpses and the world knows that the Haitians don't deserve any help at all.

15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.

Disgusting ... that is the word I reserve for Haiti.


New Orleans ring a bell? The Superdome?
Thank you for bringing that up.

When the New Orleans thing happened, did Haiti help?

Please don't tell me that "Haiti is too poor to help".
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Henry Blewer on January 23, 2010, 09:42:49 pm
When I was in trouble and needed help. I got help for people I did not know, and do not know. Now I am not making fantastic money, but I am able to have food, shelter, and pursue the interests I enjoy. I am able to help others, which is really something I enjoy.
How many more are there who deserve the same chance? That is why it makes sense to help.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:43:45 pm
Quote from: Kadri on January 23, 2010, 12:42:27 pmGuys , don't bother to change his mind. He says basically " There are some bad guys , thus all Haitians should die ! "

Kadri.
Some bad guys ?

You call the throngs of looters "some" ?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:45:33 pm
Quote from: njeneb on January 23, 2010, 09:42:49 pmWhen I was in trouble and needed help. I got help for people I did not know, and do not know. Now I am not making fantastic money, but I am able to have food, shelter, and pursue the interests I enjoy. I am able to help others, which is really something I enjoy.
How many more are there who deserve the same chance? That is why it makes sense to help.
I have no problem helping people.

The prerequisite is they must also help themselves.

I have a lot of problem helping people who do not want to help themselves.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:50:58 pm
Quote from: neuspadrin on January 23, 2010, 12:20:39 pm
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.
And both China and Japan are considered much more advanced and have the resources for disaster relief of their own country.
So basically you are saying something like --- "Japan and China don't deserve any help because they are advanced enough and have enough resources to help themselves ... while in Haiti, they are dirt poor, and we must help"

Is that what you are saying?

Which means, if some really horrendous disaster strike Germany or England or the United States, no one should help out, right?

After all, Germany, the U.S. or England are advanced and have plenty of resources, right?

Will you still go help some "dirt poor" people even if they DO NOT want to help themselves?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Jack on January 23, 2010, 09:59:22 pm
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:43:45 pm
Quote from: Kadri on January 23, 2010, 12:42:27 pmGuys , don't bother to change his mind. He says basically " There are some bad guys , thus all Haitians should die ! "

Kadri.
Some bad guys ?

You call the throngs of looters "some" ?

in a disaster their will always be looters thats just part of society it happened with the Victoria bush fires last year and the power outage in Newyork. you seem to think all Haitians are the same.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 24, 2010, 12:53:28 am
Quote from: wetbanana on January 23, 2010, 09:59:22 pm
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:43:45 pm
Quote from: Kadri on January 23, 2010, 12:42:27 pmGuys , don't bother to change his mind. He says basically " There are some bad guys , thus all Haitians should die ! "

Kadri.
Some bad guys ?

You call the throngs of looters "some" ?

in a disaster their will always be looters thats just part of society it happened with the Victoria bush fires last year and the power outage in Newyork. you seem to think all Haitians are the same.
Yes, in any disaster there always be some looters.

Note the word: Some

But in Haiti, it's not some, it's much more than some.

And one more thing: Do not put words into my mouth.

I never say "All Haitians are the same". You are the one who say that.

All I say is, if the Haitians do not want to help themselves, let them rot.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Gannaingh on January 24, 2010, 03:16:54 am
Penang, for somebody who thinks they are the authority on all things Haiti you sure haven't shown us any proof to back your claims that there are a bunch of looters there. Who are you (or any of us for that matter) to judge the Haitian people? You have no right to further degrade those poor people who have lost everything that they have by saying that they deserve to rot. You say that we are putting words into your mouth, but I beg to differ. We have no need to; your words speak loud and clear as to what type of person you are.

No, there are not written laws than proclaim that the rich must help the poor in their time of need. However, basic human decency (which you appear to be lacking) demands that you spare what you can to help those less fortunate than you. People do not help the poor because they are required to; they help them because they sympathize and pity those people who have lost so much, and by donating their time or money will hopefully be able to help alleviate their pain and suffering in some measure.

DO NOT Dodge This Question: How would you feel is you were in a major earthquake? If all the houses, schools, building; your whole life came crashing down around you?  But you have a neighbor that lives not very far away. They have a big house, many fancy electronic toys, money, and the equipment necessary to dig to dig your family out from under a huge pile of rubble. Unfortunately for you, they believe that they should only help you save your family after you have already cleared the rubble yourself. Too bad you are just one poor man and have no way to do so. So they decide that you are not worth helping and that they would be better off leaving you to rot. How would you feel if that was you?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2010, 06:43:21 am
Quote from: penang on January 24, 2010, 12:53:28 am
Quote from: wetbanana on January 23, 2010, 09:59:22 pm
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:43:45 pm
Quote from: Kadri on January 23, 2010, 12:42:27 pmGuys , don't bother to change his mind. He says basically " There are some bad guys , thus all Haitians should die ! "

Kadri.
Some bad guys ?

You call the throngs of looters "some" ?

in a disaster their will always be looters thats just part of society it happened with the Victoria bush fires last year and the power outage in Newyork. you seem to think all Haitians are the same.
Yes, in any disaster there always be some looters.

Note the word: Some

But in Haiti, it's not some, it's much more than some.

And one more thing: Do not put words into my mouth.

I never say "All Haitians are the same". You are the one who say that.

All I say is, if the Haitians do not want to help themselves, let them rot.

im not putting words into your mouth it is what you are implying.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: zionner on January 24, 2010, 07:01:41 am
Alright, I tried to stay clear of this thread, as I tend to get a little angry when I join these sort of debates (Sadly, as I would love to take part in these more often), however I shall make an exception and join this specific case. But I have one indisputable reason why ALL the western countries have a responsibility to help Haiti...

Their current debt, which is now ALL owed to the Inter-American Development Bank, is aprox 800 Million $, and on top of this, all debt that Haiti had was cancelled in september last year, except from the debt mentioned above!

What does that tell you?

Now, normally it would be fair enough to say "Yeah, they borrowed money, they should pay it back"


But they havepayed that money back! All that debt you see there is interest! The governments of our countries are so greedy, that they force poor countries such as Haiti to pay huge sums of money, which they could be spending on infastructure.

Now, thats just the start of it, because since Haiti is so poor...the interest that they are charged is MORE than they can pay back per annum, and therefore, they are fighting a loosing battle against extortionate interest rates, which are set by the US.

This is why we need to help them...because they are forced to pay huge sums of money to us...which they could have spent on better infastructure (infastructure that may have had a chance to stay standing after that earthquake).

So... fair enough if you really want to be ignorant enough to believe that those people dont "deserve" our help...then be my guest... Dont expect ANYONE to agree with you, and more importantly, dont you DARE say something like "Will you still go help some "dirt poor" people even if they DO NOT want to help themselves?" That has to be one of the most selfish things I've heard someone say, or at least in a long time.

Edit:

Source for info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_debt_of_Haiti
Also, I just want to make it clear, even though I did highlight that the Inter-American Development Bank is the only banks still with debts from Haiti, I'm not trying to specificly blame the US, everyone that held debts against them are to blame.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 07:14:15 am
May I bring some memory back to you Penang ?
You know that, of course, USA helped Haiti to get rid of Aristide (after he's been elected) and supported milicia in Haiti  to "clean" the people that helped Aristide to win the election (that means kill people). So if you come in a country and help them to chose who lead it, you have the responsability to help them afterward.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: penang on January 24, 2010, 08:14:31 am
Ok, call me selfish, call me other even worse names if you like.

Fact is still fact. Indisputable facts.

Fact 1: When you borrow money from anyone, including banks, do you pay interests on the loan?

Yes or No?

If you pay interests on the loan, if everybody pays interests on the money they borrow, why should Haiti be exempted from paying the interests?

Fact 2: Are there, or are there not many looters in Haiti?

Be truthful here.

Fact 3: Was there as much looting in Japan, after their very devastating quake, 15 years ago?

Yes or No?

Fact 4: Was there as much looting in China, after their very very devastating quake, 3 years ago?

Yes or No?

Fact 5: Are Haitian human beings?

Yes or No?

Fact 6: Are Japanese and Chinese human beings?

Yes or No?

Now tell me, if Haitians are human beings, just like the Japanese and the Chinese, why then the Japanese and Chinese didn't go looting up every store in town, like what the Haitians have done, in the past 2 weeks?

Chinese are human beings.

Japanese are human beings.

Haitians are also human beings.

All are classified as Homo Sapien Sapien.

If it is human tendency to loot, we would have seen massive looting in China as well as in Japan. But we did not.

Why then it happen in Haiti?

Care to explain that?

And about Aristide ...

Was he the ONLY guy in the whole world the United States government threw out of office?

Again, be truthful, ok?

Of course, not.

The United States government have had done the same thing to many many countries. From indonesia to Nicaragua to Chile to Panama to Haiti, and now the United States is trying to do the same in Venezuela.

I am not saying that the United States is right to do so. No, it isn't.

But that still doesn't give any Haitian any excuse to NOT help himself.

If the Indonesians, the Chileans, the Panamanians, and the Venezuelans can rebuild their country, after what Uncle Sam has done to them, why can't Haitians?

Or are the Haitians so special that we need to give them special rights to be fed free food forever?

What have they done to earn that "special rights"?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if people from other countries --- let's say, from Zambia or from Bangladesh or from Vietnam or from Poland --- also having that "special rights".

Then they do not have to do anything. Uncle Sam will go feed them, no question ask.

Wouldn't that be swell?

Call me anything you want. Anything !

But it still doesn't make the situation any better.

Haiti is still a garbage dump due to the fact that the Haitians just do not want to help themselves.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Bluestorm on January 24, 2010, 09:25:55 am
Quote from: penang on January 24, 2010, 08:14:31 am
Fact 2: Are there, or are there not many looters in Haiti?

Be truthful here.


So be you. You still haven't shown as any prove of your so-many-looting-Haitis, and I guess you never will.

Quote
All are classified as Homo Sapien Sapien.


The correct foreign word for "human being" is "Homo sapiens" which is the gerund of the Latin verb "sapere" and which means "to know".

Since you don't seem to "know" anything at all, especially about social skills, don't you want to "help yourself" and learn at least some Latin?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Kadri on January 24, 2010, 09:29:12 am
Penang , please don't do this !

Excuse me , but i have a strong wish to yell at you .
You don't know what you say . I don't know how old you are where you live etc.

Do you know history ? Economy ? Politic  etc. ?

If you say no , it is ok that you say such absurd things (of course not !) .
If you say yes , then all your knowledge is false !

The world isn't a place that you can so easily define .

How can you compare  Haiti  to Japan  or China ? Did you see anything that you bought with the label " Made in Haiti " ?
Do a search for the history of Haiti .

I will not argue with you . Because i know some people like you . They do not and will not easily understand .
Maybe 5-10 years later you will see the other side . But for now , i know you will only try to counteract my words to feel right .

All this beside if anywhere you live is a course of humanity please sign up  immediately .

But from the preliminary level  please .

This topic isn't productive so i will try to stay away , but you are really stubborn and act like a uneducated man .
This isn't bad calling . If a man is saying such things about humans who are  in such a bad position then this is the
kindly way to advise you .

I think you are here to make art ? A really good artist is a human who has empathy for other humans .
This isn't so easily learned by reading tutorials like in TG2 i am afraid !

I am sorry for you !

Kadri.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Hannes on January 24, 2010, 11:15:16 am
I have no words for that. What's next? Complaining that all ethiopians are lazy idiots?
I am not a friend of censorship, but maybe this thread should be closed.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 11:22:23 am
come on, trolling can be fun !
just imagine he is using humour and laughing behind his screen... reading people getting upset
i can't imagine the guy is seriously writing Haitians should die because some of them steal rice to survive when all their family died...
so he is trolling...
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Hannes on January 24, 2010, 11:23:51 am
You're right, Seth. Maybe laughing is the best we can do!  ;D
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 11:26:24 am
;)
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: zionner on January 24, 2010, 11:26:35 am
Quote from: Seth on January 24, 2010, 11:22:23 am
come on, trolling can be fun !
just imagine he is using humour and laughing behind his screen... reading people getting upset


Yeah, You are right...

Could we get a lock on this thread please?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 11:31:10 am
Quote from: Hannes on January 24, 2010, 11:15:16 am
Complaining that all ethiopians are lazy idiots?



indeed, laying on the ground all day long, whiiiiinning...
not even getting up to prepare a good meal !
damn lazy guys !
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Hannes on January 24, 2010, 11:39:05 am
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: JimB on January 24, 2010, 01:24:03 pm
Quote from: penang on January 23, 2010, 09:38:04 pm
Quote from: JimB on January 23, 2010, 07:28:18 pm
Quote from: penang on January 22, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Quote from: njeneb on January 22, 2010, 01:39:49 amAt least it's not about some celebrity. I feel bad about Haiti. For decades the US has supported self-serving rulers there. Now that the capital has become a ruin, they have no resources to help themselves.
That is another thing that I do not understand --- What has US got to do with the quake in Haiti?

Even if US is guilty of supporting self-serving dictators in Haiti that still doesn't dissolve the responsibility of Haitian themselves of being totally useless in determining their own destiny.

Look at the looting and the fighting and the displaying of corpses and the world knows that the Haitians don't deserve any help at all.

15 years ago Japan had a quake.

Just couple of years ago China had a quake.

Many people died in Japan and China but the people there didn't do all those looting and fighting and throwing corpses on the street in protest, like what Haitians are doing.

Disgusting ... that is the word I reserve for Haiti.


New Orleans ring a bell? The Superdome?
Thank you for bringing that up.

When the New Orleans thing happened, did Haiti help?

Please don't tell me that "Haiti is too poor to help".


Hey, Haiti's a libertarian paradise! No taxes, everyone fends for themselves, the state doesn't interfere in your business. Why don't you go there! Somalia's your other option.

Maybe Texas should've told all those refugees from New Orleans to get lost? If they're too weak and "didn't plan ahead" for a storm surge then it's their fault. Why the hell should Texas have done anything?
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 03:13:49 pm
they could have shot down the refugees for their own good, you might say ! ^^
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: matrix2003 on January 24, 2010, 03:32:12 pm
This started as security in Germany and ended up as A Haitian bashing.  Moderator it is time to lock.
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Seth on January 24, 2010, 03:50:52 pm
Quote from: matrix2003 on January 24, 2010, 03:32:12 pm
This started as security in Germany and ended up as A Haitian bashing.  Moderator it is time to lock.


and more than 500 views...
I wish our image thread has an audience as vast as this one so fast :D
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: matrix2003 on January 24, 2010, 03:52:38 pm
- exactly bro.  ???
Title: Re: What happened in Germany
Post by: Jack on January 24, 2010, 04:18:51 pm
its just part of human nature to help people in need a trate you are obviously lacking