Tony Scott Passes

Started by rcallicotte, August 20, 2012, 07:28:24 AM

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rcallicotte

So this is Disney World.  Can we live here?

yossam

From what I just saw, he evidently had inoperable brain cancer.

rcallicotte

I just heard that.  The man was a genius and an excellent entertaining spirit. 
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TheBadger

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I know what he was suffering from is devastating, and almost certainly physically painful, or would become painful.
But I am having difficulty feeling sorry for a man who killed himself. He jumped off that bridge in day light and a lot of people saw it happen. Some asshole even put the video on-line.

Maybe he was overwhelmed and did not think before he did it, but then there is the suicide note... I don't know, its hard to feel sorry for a man who kills himself in front of kids. I'm sure his family is pretty torn up too. selfish death.

If he was going to die anyway, and wanted to die on his own terms. He should have gone to a war zone and died saving some children by taking them food. He could afford it. Better to die a hero than a whimpering coward.

It has been eaten.

rcallicotte

Not saying I know what he was thinking, but a man with such a useful brain might at that point feel the whole thing is a bit of a wash.  "Death Be Not Proud" touches on this from a first-person point of view and it couldn't be that much fun, really. 

Of course, I don't advocate suicide.

Anyway, what was going on?...let's see if we hear more.
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TheBadger

Its funny that you mention John Donne's poem. I actually wrote a paper on his work in college. I don't see how the poem relates to a cowardly death like suicide.
"Death be not proud, though some have called thee" is a testimony of faith. The poems purpose is to declare victory, not defeat.
In every respect John Donne is saying that though we die, we can never die. He is saying that he is not afraid, that Death is nothing. It is a religious work.
These are not the thoughts of someone who would kill him self.

I only say this because it seems like you are interpreting the poem to mean that we should not, or do not, die proudly. this is a strange idea to me.

And I don't know know what else there is to hear. The man left a suicide note, that pretty much makes everything clear.

"And death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die."




It has been eaten.

rcallicotte

http://www.amazon.com/Death-Not-Proud-John-Gunther/dp/B00275M5IQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1345727801&sr=8-5&keywords=death+be+not+proud

We read this in Junior High.  It's a brave and honest book about facing his death to brain cancer.

As far as Tony Scott, his family is saying there was nothing (no such diagnosis).  But, some who saw him say he was looking around and shuffling his feet before he jumped.  So I wonder if someone was with him...or something other than what we think was going on.  Not really sure.

I don't believe in suicide, in case you think that is my idea.
So this is Disney World.  Can we live here?

TheBadger

Ha HA,  ;D

If I ever write a book, I'm going to title it "To Kill A Mocking Bird". It will be about the nesting habits of southerners ;)

No I didn't think your for suicide, calico. I just think there is to much tolerance for it in general. There are a lot of causes that could use a martyr, "the Self" is not one of them. Whatever he killed him self because of, I'm just saying that if someone cant go on living, then they should give there life, not take it. Thats all. Die for the good. Jump on the grenade... There are lots to choose from. And they all require more courage than bungee jumping without a rubber band.

Anyway, I agree with you guys that some of his movies are really good.

It has been eaten.