Ambassador Christopher Stevens was reportedly raped before he was murdered

[penang]

To those who can read Arabic, read this -

http://www.tayyar.org/Tayyar/News/PoliticalNews/ar-LB/usa-killed-lybia-zek-970.htm

To those who can't, a brief translation:

Ambassador Christopher Stevens was raped before he was murdered by the Libyan gunmen

As if this news is not shocking enough, it was revealed that it was the Libyan security team which told the attackers the location of the American ambassador

From http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57511043/assault-on-u.s-consulate-in-benghazi-leaves-4-dead-including-u.s-ambassador-j-christopher-stevens/

"Wanis al-Sharef, a Libyan Interior Ministry official in Benghazi, said the four Americans were killed when the angry mob, which gathered to protest a U.S.-made film that ridicules Islam's Prophet Muhammad, fired guns and burned down the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

He said Stevens, 52, and other officials were moved to a second building - deemed safer - after the initial wave of protests at the consulate compound. According to al-Sharef, members of the Libyan security team seem to have indicated to the protesters the building to which the American officials had been relocated, and that building then came under attack. [/b]"


If you want to know more about the Libyan attackers who raped and killed the American Ambassador, you may want to ask John McCain, an American Senator.

On April 22, 2011, Senator John McCain said the following while he was visiting Benghazi, Libya:
“I have met with these brave fighters, and they are not Al-Qaeda. To the contrary: They are Libyan patriots who want to liberate their nation. We should help them do it.”

[Andrew March]

I am trying to understand what place these discussions have on an art forum, surely there are forums dedicated to ranting about the worlds problems and how if we were in charge we could solve them in five minutes with the wave of our omnipotent wand.

I think I shall propose an amendment to the admins asking for all threads of a political, religious and sexual nature to be classed as against the forum rules.

[penang]

Dear Sir,

You obviously have the right to petition whatever you want, but please allow me remind you of two things -

This particular forum is labeled as "OPEN DISCUSSION", not "ART FORUM".

Before you want to argue the finer semantics, I invite you to read the bylaws embedded in the "Registration Form" on Planetside forum ---

"Through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, adult material, or otherwise in violation of any International or United States Federal law."

Ask yourself whether any of the materials I have posted contain any "hateful", "obscene", "profane", "threatening", "adult material" or otherwise "in violation of any International or United States Federal law" ?

If you can find any fault, please point it out for us.

Even if you cannot find even one-single-thing that's wrong, you are still welcome to petition the moderators.

It's within your rights, anyway.

Have a good day.

[Andrew March]

In answer to your question, yes I do feel the material posted is hateful. How about starting threads entitled '    
United States may be turning into a police state'

Do you not think that some people would find that hateful, do you really think that a community dedicated to creating art is the right place to start discussing politics?

Do you not think that posting these threads might start arguments between members?

Do you not think that there are better dedicated websites for you to vent your obvious frustration and anger at news events and the worlds problems in general?

Now, obviously if your intent was to generate an angry response from the offset, then all the more reason for these threads to be closed and warnings to be issued to prevent future occurances. If however your intent is to illicit debate on the subjects you have raised, then I would say again there are far better forums for such discussion because as I am sure the majority of users will agree...

I come here for the art and the general discussion forum for me is for anything art related that doesn't fit with Terragen, not a soapbox to demonstrate political views or debate world politics.

[Andrew March]

In fact, I decided to satisfy my curiosity and looked through ALL of your posts. Did you know that NOT ONCE have you replied to anyones art!

So, why join an art forum.

In fact you seem to have spent all your time in the general discussion forum and a gfreat deal of that time posting politically related material.

On any other forum I am a member of you would have been accused of trolling the forums in the hope of getting an angry response from someone.

Still, I have brought my concerns to the attention of the staff and that will be my last word on the subject.

[Tangled-Universe]

I feel with you Andrew, mostly because he has the tendency to quite extreme topics and information which is of questioniable reliability anyway.

There were riots because a video was shown where Mohammed was being made fun of. What happens all the time is the following:

- Islamic people say: "See! Those Western people ridiculise Mohammed/Allah all the time by making these jokes and sketches time after time!"
- Western people say: "See! Those Islamic people take Mohammed/Allah way too seriously, they can't withstand any joke or sketch about them".

It's all a matter of how information is being spread and on both sides it's being done in a wrong and polarizing way.
We're made to believe all Islamic people are extremely intolerant and they're made to believe that we all shit on Islam.

News items like these stating that the ambassador was raped just fits into the situation I explained above. It's meant to polarize, nothing more.
Obviously, Penang always falls for it

In answer to your question, yes I do feel the material posted is hateful. How about starting threads entitled '    
United States may be turning into a police state'

Do you not think that some people would find that hateful, do you really think that a community dedicated to creating art is the right place to start discussing politics?

The way I see and read it is as an opinion. "May be" reads as an opinion to me. If it would say "will be turning into" then I'd be more inclined to consider it hateful if I was an American.

Do you not think that posting these threads might start arguments between members?

It might, but it's always up to the person him/her-self to respond or start an argument. In case of topics like these it's better to ignore it perhaps.

Do you not think that there are better dedicated websites for you to vent your obvious frustration and anger at news events and the worlds problems in general?

Now, obviously if your intent was to generate an angry response from the offset, then all the more reason for these threads to be closed and warnings to be issued to prevent future occurances. If however your intent is to illicit debate on the subjects you have raised, then I would say again there are far better forums for such discussion because as I am sure the majority of users will agree...

Definitely agree with that. People come to these forums for their interest in Terragen and may occasionally deviate into other topics like these, but definitely not on a systematic base as if it is their interest in coming to this place.

I come here for the art and the general discussion forum for me is for anything art related that doesn't fit with Terragen, not a soapbox to demonstrate political views or debate world politics.

This is not general discussion Andrew
So if Penang somehow feels the necessity to start topics like these then this is his only option for a stage.

Though, as you have pointed out Andrew, if this starts to be his day-job here then it may be (opinion! lol) an option to set some limits.

[Tangled-Universe]

In fact, I decided to satisfy my curiosity and looked through ALL of your posts. Did you know that NOT ONCE have you replied to anyones art!

So, why join an art forum.

In fact you seem to have spent all your time in the general discussion forum and a gfreat deal of that time posting politically related material.

On any other forum I am a member of you would have been accused of trolling the forums in the hope of getting an angry response from someone.

Still, I have brought my concerns to the attention of the staff and that will be my last word on the subject.

We're probably too decent aren't we Indeed, normally one would have been accused of trolling many times before.