Jaguar in Arizona

Started by PabloMack, February 05, 2016, 10:44:15 AM

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PabloMack

A surveillance camera captured evidence of the only known wild Jaguar in the USA.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/us/wild-jaguar-video-arizona-feat/index.html

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TheBadger

In Wisconsin the DNR actively works to obstruct public knowledge of the presence of wolf and cougar, or so i have heard repeatedly.

I guess the idea is that by keeping a lid on it they reduce the chance of deliberate encounters. But I don't know. I just feel like deception is not a good method to create understanding and conservation. No one wants to hunt them here for sport. everyone wants them back in
*appropriate* numbers in protected areas (I have never heard anyone say otherwise except with regards to livestock issues).

The trouble comes because they are quite clever and expand pretty fast, at least the wolves so far and arguably the cougar too, based on reports of encounters near human pop centers. There is good reason to be concerned here do to the amount of outdoorsman and outdoors industry in my state, in areas where the animals were reintroduced. I have not seen a very big effort to educate the population on how to properly deal with a predator encounter which helps fuel the idea that the DNR is concealing info from the general public. I have heard of undesired encounters with humans as far as the grey wolf goes.

Suppose if its true than the same would be likely in AZ.

Anyway, its a great looking animal. I hope it recovers well. And I think that it is safe to assume that there is at least a few more for the one that was seen?

People need to know about these things for the purpose of deliberately avoiding encounters for the sake of both people and the animals. As I understand it millions of tourists visit protected natural areas in the states every year. So if these animals are returning, than encounters are going to happen more and more.
It has been eaten.

PabloMack

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Quote from: TheBadger on February 05, 2016, 01:07:25 PMNo one wants to hunt them here for sport.

It only takes one trophy hunter to wipe them out.

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otakar

Fantastic, but it seems El Jefe is the only confirmed individual.

Predators simply belong, but we're a long way from acceptance. The wolf should roam most of the Western U.S., but it is bitterly opposed even in remote areas. Hunts are legal, going as far as trapping, which is as cruel as you can get. Cattle and sheep are allowed to roam huge stretches of Federal land, which makes no sense to me. And trophy hunting, that's just disgusting.

TheBadger

^^  :) I understand you. But this is not a wild land anymore. I want them all back too! But the idea of getting these animals back to natural levels (in as much as that idea accounts for no humans) is not realistic at any level. It will never happen.

That we can have any areas in all states that are populated with some number of every animal that belongs, is in its self a difficult goal. And its self should be the goal.

Trophy licenses should be sold to hunters for "exotic" species at a high price for culling populations or destroying individual animals that are sick or that have been designated a threat based on attacks. The money should be used to fund conservation efforts and reintroduction efforts. There should be strict regulation by unemotional experts.

You cannot hunt wolf in Wisconsin or Minnesota like you can deer or birds. The DNR often uses the public for needed culling but there is a special process. It is not "normal". For example, culling the deer herds here when there was an outbreak of a variation of "mad cow" disease. Hunters were given tags to hunt and destroy large numbers of the population. Though the problem is on going.

Humans must be the predators now, it is necessary. And from time to time (quite often actually) the more exotic animals have to be killed. All I am saying is this should earn money for conservation, not add cost. The people who pay those fees (should be in the thousand$) should be allowed to keep the animal, after it has be examined by wildlife experts.
It has been eaten.

otakar

https://www.huntinfool.com/blog/idaho-the-best-state-for-non-resident-wolf-hunting/

Idaho - 10 wolf tags per year per hunter!!! I feel very strongly about this, the balance needs to be brought back. Yes, I do know the human population has crept into remote areas, but there simply is still lots of room for wildlife, if only man permits!

TheBadger

Thanks for the link.

always wanted to see idaho but never been there. their wolf populations must be very strong. Personally I would never hunt wolf, bear or lion though. The only reason I would is if I was a farm owner and I had a individual that was beyond nuisance.
But if someone else wanted to pay me to let them do it, I would take the money and gladly stay home.
It has been eaten.

otakar

We're nowhere near full recovery. The estimated 5500 wolves in the lower 48 today is but a tiny fraction of what once thrived on this land. States and non-profits reimburse ranchers for livestock losses, largely taking that argument away.

If you are really interested in wolves, here's a good link: http://www.graywolfconservation.com/Wild_Wolves/history.htm

One last thing, I did spot a cougar several years ago, just trotting along a road at dusk. It took me a while to realize what it was. What a thrill!