PRISM

[efflux]

Just one other point here about the whole god thing. I used to believe it was bad to think that there was this higher power called god for the same reason some of you have mentioned. That it is saying we can't decide on our own morals. However, I think you have to make a distiction here from an individual believing this and an institution claiming to have the voice to speak for god.

[cyphyr]

Nicely put I agree

[cyphyr]

And ... official list of social networking monitored words by NSA/PRISM dudes ...
Have fun
Link

[TheBadger]

^^ well I'm dead. How fast do drones travel? ANyone know? Im too fat and too old to run.. screw it.

[FrankB]

New scandal revealed by Snowy. This time the Brits. But that's what secret services do anyway, right?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/16/gchq-intercepted-communications-g20-summits

[cyphyr]

Good grief. I'm not surprised at all but as Badger started this thread off with an apology I feel I should offer one too on behalf of my so called Government.
Embarrassing, ridiculous and ultimately self defeating.I wonder what the next big reveal will be.

[FrankB]

Good grief. I'm not surprised at all but as Badger started this thread off with an apology I feel I should offer one too on behalf of my so called Government.
Embarrassing, ridiculous and ultimately self defeating.I wonder what the next big reveal will be.

Honestly, I don't *really* think this is a big reveal. Intelligence agency spy, that's what they do. In contrast, PRISM was a big reveal, because it means spying on everyone, all the time. This one in the UK is just embarrassing for the UK intelligence.

[penang]

How fast do drones travel? ANyone know? Im too fat and too old to run.. screw it

Did the founding fathers of America run away, or did they fight on till the end ?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

America used to be a country others look up to, no more, and whose fault is it?

The POTUS, or the people ?

Who elected the POTUS ? The people of America, of course !

Do not blame others for the fault of oneself - and the founding fathers of the United Staes of America didn't waste time blaming others. Instead, they took up arms and fought the tyrannical colonial government

Why can't the present crop of Americans do what their forefather did ?

Have you guys gone soft and useless ?

And do you know that America is not alone in this - the UK, Australia, Canada and NZ all signed on to the Echelon with the United States, and until today, the 5 spook agencies of the 5 countries are still exchanging informations

[cyphyr]

Some interesting perspectives from Naomi Wolf here, which is a condensed version of the authors Facebook Note here ( Friday, 14 June 2013) and here ( Sunday, 16 June 2013)

[FrankB]

How fast do drones travel? ANyone know? Im too fat and too old to run.. screw it

Do not blame others for the fault of oneself - and the founding fathers of the United Staes of America didn't waste time blaming others. Instead, they took up arms and fought the tyrannical colonial government

Why can't the present crop of Americans do what their forefather did ?

Have you guys gone soft and useless ?

Personally, I don't wish to read inflammatory calls to arms in this debate, in this forum. Thanks.

[penang]

Some interesting perspectives from Naomi Wolf here, which is a condensed version of the authors Facebook Note here ( Friday, 14 June 2013) and here ( Sunday, 16 June 2013)

Naomi Wolf is a typical liberal who can't think out of a paperbag

There is a reply to Naomi that is much more worthy to be read, and I quote:

"Aldous C. Tyler Reading this piece, Naomi, I think you are notably off base *this* time. I'm not saying Snowden doesn't have a few hidden agenda points, but seriously, the things you are pointing to as red flags are very easily explained by the simple quirks some people evince that others do not. He may not have trusted to have an attorney represent him, he likely has been practicing this a long time before deciding to do it. He has seen Bradley Manning tarred and feathered for not being careful about what was released and for having virtually no control over how it was presented. Overall, I think you may have been looking into the abyss so long, it's hard to let go sometimes and realize that people are different on their approaches.

What Snowden revealed isn't the typical "the government is watching you" warning. That is what the corporate-owned media is trying to turn it into. THAT isn't him. That's THEM. He's shown that it is rather that the government, right down to its intelligence operations, is wholly owned by corporate powers. That is NOT the message they want out there at all."

[penang]

Some interesting perspectives from Naomi Wolf here, which is a condensed version of the authors Facebook Note here ( Friday, 14 June 2013) and here ( Sunday, 16 June 2013)

Another excellent reply to Naomi's half-baked liberal conspiracy theory is at

https://www.facebook.com/notes/revolution-news-network/this-isnt-about-snowden-its-about-the-other-traitors-still-in-the-room/589067181126518

This Isn't About Snowden: It's About the Other Traitors Still In the Room


"Let's assume that the most vile of human beings --one that is not only a traitor, but also thief and a liar and a burglar, a kidnapper, an arsonist and a rapist --proves to you and the world that the following has happened to you and your family:


--A group of people are stalking you, collecting photos, listening to, monitoring, recording and saving your telephone conversations, surfing habits, and building a database and chart with everyone you know, interact with, whether your family, work, or acquaintances. In addition, your political and religious beliefs, where you shop, what you buy and even what you like to eat and what music you listen to and the books you read.


Now let's assume that you take the side of the people who call this hypothetical person a traitor, a thief and a liar and a burglar, and a kidnapper, and an arsonist and a rapist and that you agree with them, and further that this person should be tried and punished.


Good enough. That's one criminal down. Now what about the other one?



What other one?


Remember the other criminal that you now know is stalking you, collecting your photos, listening to calls and record your internet, social, shopping, political, and religious connections?


Yeah what about that criminal?


Because what's being overlooked quite purposefully in the media, on the Senate floor, and in the Oval Office is that there are two traitors in the room.


Always remember that one traitor has outed the other.


And that other traitor? He (or they are) is desperately trying to airbrush themselves out of the room before anyone notices."

You read the rest on FB, if you choose to

[efflux]

You have to look at who the real enemy is. The real enemy of the US is Britain or rather the city of London. It's also the enemy of the people of Britain. Always has been. The US it trying to fight battles by using the methods of their enemy. That's why they are all over the planet with militiary bases and economically bankrupt. This is British Empire method. Lying sewer rat Obama would fit right into the British House of Commons. Do you think Lincoln or Kennedy would fit in there. No, they got rid of those guys.

[TheBadger]

Honestly, I don't *really* think this is a big reveal. Intelligence agency spy, that's what they do. In contrast, PRISM was a big reveal, because it means spying on everyone, all the time. This one in the UK is just embarrassing for the UK intelligence.

Strongly agree with this statement, Frank.

Most of this does not bother me one bit. But PRISM represents a terrible turn for the worse.

I use the internet like a library/bookstore. I look at everything! I have looked at enemy/terrorist websites, read about weapons and explosives. Looked at racist websites. Read extremist philosophy (right and left) as well as a big swath of crazy religious stuff (mostly just western religious stuff). So by my search history Im a freak. I cant even imagine what it must look like! Now add to that the fact that pretty much anything you search on google will also end up leading to porn, and it would look very bad for anyone.
I once searched for an ice cream recipe and ran into a link for "two girls and a cup".

If that link Richard put up is accurate (the one about target words), than we are all on a watch list.

@penang
Last time you scolded me that muslims are everywhere, that they will kill my family and it will be my fault.
Now you say the Government is my enemy and I need to start a civil war. If I listen to you I should probably just kill my family and my self to save everyone else the trouble... Sheesh!

[TheBadger]

P.S.

Earlier I said I was to fat to run. But really Im not fat, just lazy. Running sucks, and its bad on your knees. Also its hot out. 

Im curious what the name of the guy at NSA who has to read our posts is. I wonder if he is sitting there right now thinking to himself, "Sheesh, I cant believe this is what I do with my day. I should have been a doctor".