Police Seize Gizmodo Editor’s Computers Who Reviewed iPhone 4G / HD

[cyphyr]

Police Seize Gizmodo Editor's Computers Who Reviewed iPhone 4G / HD
Glad I'm with the other crowd 
Richard

[leafspring]

Way to go Apple!
Sue everyone, screw developers for your App Store, screw even the developers developing tools for the developers. Screw your customers by dictating them what they are allowed to do and what not. Make them all pay big time for supporting you and your products!
Hell, Steve Jobs and his company more and more seem like the paranoid maniac you wouldn't want as your neighbour. Pride comes before a fall. They have it coming...

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[otakar]

Well, nobody said you have to buy their stuff. Not quite sure what the hype is all about anyway. There are alternatives and the iPad will get competition as well. Which is only healthy.

[leafspring]

Well, nobody said you have to buy their stuff.

And I never have and never will, but a lot of the developers try to make a living out of developing applications for smart phones and Apple does almost everything they can think of to make it harder for them, lately even abusing their monopoly in this market to force iPhone/iPad-only development, always with the possibility to reject every app they don't like without giving any explanation why. It kind of reminds me of gladiators with Apple being the roman emperor. "I don't like you, you get eaten by the tiger. You walk funny, you can live. And this one over there, he made a joke about me. Behead him."
I'm pretty sure if Microsoft would do the things Apple did and still does, the European Union and tons of lawyers would be at their throats within a second but Apple seems to have a kind of fool's license.

[penang]

Well, nobody said you have to buy their stuff.

And I never have and never will, but a lot of the developers try to make a living out of developing applications for smart phones and Apple does almost everything they can think of to make it harder for them, lately even abusing their monopoly in this market to force iPhone/iPad-only development, always with the possibility to reject every app they don't like without giving any explanation why.

Not an Apple user but I do need to speak up for Apple.

If it's not because of Apple there won't be so many innovations available to you and me.

It's Steve Jobs who has almost single-handedly inject orders into the chaotic environment of computers.

Things just work, as expected, in Apple. Unlike in Windows or in *nixes, there aren't any booby traps where users fall victims to.

iPad is not a fad. It is something that works. The UI has been carefully thought of. It's "finger-friendly".

Apple could have used MacOS on iPad (or iPhone), but it didn't. You know why?

Because Mr. Steve Jobs knows that MacOS is a keyboard OS, not a finger-OS. So he got his team to develop something totally new for iPhone (and later iPad).

iPad isn't a new idea. Microsoft came up with "Tablet PC" years ago, I believe it was in 2002. The tablet-pc flopped because it is so awkward.

Mr. Jobs #1 concern is not the developers. His main concern is the users.

Apple's -- in your word -- "does almost everything they can think of to make it harder for the developers" -- because Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

Mr. Jobs is successful not because of he being a dictator, but because of he puts himself in the shoe of the users.

This quality is hard to come by nowadays.

[Rhalph]

Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

I have to disagree.
It seems to me that they released an iPad with a lot of features missing on purpose - while these features were already ready (webcam, etc). Like the iPhone, they will be able to release a new product every year (or less) with slight changes between versions, knowing that a lot of the users will be stupid enough to buy every version.
So no, I think Apple decide that users are fools, not kings.
At least Apple is good at one thing: making money. Ethics is another story.

[leafspring]

because Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

You are aware of the fact that the biggest source of income for Apple is the App Store? Without developers creating nice apps for the iPhone that thing would never have been as popular as it now is. iPhone and iPad would be nothing without these developers that get more and more suppressed by Apple.
And do you really think Apple doesn't allow Flash on the iPhone because the users want it this way? No, they do it because they would loose money through flash applications that resemble tools that are sold through the app store. And what exactly are the benefits for the users that are gained by prohibiting the use of multi-platform-compilers? Exactly. None. The benefit is on Apples side because they force developers to make a choice. Develop for the iPhone or for all the other platforms out there. And because the iPhone is the mightiest, most devs will choose it. This way Apple strengthens it's own platform while blocking the others. Don't be naive. It's not about the user, it's about money.

[PabloMack]

-- because Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

I agree.  Users have no use for developers.  They just have to "wish" the products they want into being.  Right?  

I am a developer, therefore, I am not an Apple user.  If I have an idea for how to bring a product to the market, I can do it in the Microsoft (or Linux) world.  That is why there is so much more available for Windows.  Ten years ago, Apple had a clear market in the media arena, but, since XP, no longer.  Slowly but surely, Windows is becoming a valid alternative to the Mac in everthing the Mac has been best at.  And for those areas where Apple has no solution, Windows does that too.  And why?  Developers!  I don't know why the word "developer" is such a dirty word to you.  If Users don't need developers, then they shouldn't even need Apple because Apple is a....shhhhh  quiet.  we don't want to offend anyone (developer).  

In a recent Houston 3D meeting, one of our expert 3D artists said that Apple has been dropping behind Windows in the CG area.  With Apple chasing the cell phone market, no wonder.  They can't develop everything themselves.  By its very nature, CG in the effects, motion and realistic visualization world requires some pretty tech-savy users.  And because Windows users are decidedly more tech-savy than Apple users in general (they have to be to be Windows users), they are forging right on past where traditional Apple users are unwilling to go.  I wouldn't so much agree with the statement that "the Mac works and Windows doesn't".  A more configurable and versatile technology requires more understanding and effort on the part of the user to get it working for him/her.  Enter the developer.   I would agree that, what is easy to do, the Mac does the best.  Windows does that plus everything else.  

Linux is an even more extreme case of a developer-dominated market.  They think that Bill Gates is the evil emperor, not so much Steve Jobs.  So if you are a Windows user, you are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes and that is, perhaps, the best place to be.  

[penang]

Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

I have to disagree.
It seems to me that they released an iPad with a lot of features missing on purpose - while these features were already ready (webcam, etc). Like the iPhone, they will be able to release a new product every year (or less) with slight changes between versions, knowing that a lot of the users will be stupid enough to buy every version.
So no, I think Apple decide that users are fools, not kings.
At least Apple is good at one thing: making money. Ethics is another story.

So your gripe is that you don't get a webcam on iPhone? Izzat it?

What's next? A pop-up Mexican Musician that plays la cucaracha mix with la bamba? How about a floating Disco Ball? With some Dancing Cobras thrown in?

Wouldn't that be swell?

Just because you think a webcam is essential does not make it so.

Imagine holding a phone to take some video. iPhone is a PHONE first and foremost, and tell me, how many "unforgetable photos" or "unbelievable video" you have taken with your phone's camera, huh?

People nowadays are crazy. It's like they want their cars to fly and dive and wash their laundries while changing their baby's diapers.

But sorry.

If I were Mr. Steve Jobs I won't want you as a user of my product anyway.

because Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

You are aware of the fact that the biggest source of income for Apple is the App Store? Without developers creating nice apps for the iPhone that thing would never have been as popular as it now is. iPhone and iPad would be nothing without these developers that get more and more suppressed by Apple.
And do you really think Apple doesn't allow Flash on the iPhone because the users want it this way? No, they do it because they would loose money through flash applications that resemble tools that are sold through the app store. And what exactly are the benefits for the users that are gained by prohibiting the use of multi-platform-compilers? Exactly. None. The benefit is on Apples side because they force developers to make a choice. Develop for the iPhone or for all the other platforms out there. And because the iPhone is the mightiest, most devs will choose it. This way Apple strengthens it's own platform while blocking the others. Don't be naive. It's not about the user, it's about money.

It's about money, alright, but apparently Steve Jobs doesn't like to earn money the way Bill Gates does.

He prefers to earn it his ways.

And oh, don't worry. There are already more than 150K different apps on the Apple app store. Even if you don't want to develop your app for Apple, someone else will.

-- because Apple, unlike Microsoft, decides that users are KING, not the developers.

I agree.  Users have no use for developers.  They just have to "wish" the products they want into being.  Right?  

I am a developer, therefore, I am not an Apple user.  If I have an idea for how to bring a product to the market, I can do it in the Microsoft (or Linux) world.  That is why there is so much more available for Windows.  Ten years ago, Apple had a clear market in the media arena, but, since XP, no longer.  Slowly but surely, Windows is becoming a valid alternative to the Mac in everthing the Mac has been best at.  And for those areas where Apple has no solution, Windows does that too.  And why?  Developers!  I don't know why the word "developer" is such a dirty word to you.  If Users don't need developers, then they shouldn't even need Apple because Apple is a....shhhhh  quiet.  we don't want to offend anyone (developer).  

In a recent Houston 3D meeting, one of our expert 3D artists said that Apple has been dropping behind Windows in the CG area.  With Apple chasing the cell phone market, no wonder.  They can't develop everything themselves.  By its very nature, CG in the effects, motion and realistic visualization world requires some pretty tech-savy users.  And because Windows users are decidedly more tech-savy than Apple users in general (they have to be to be Windows users), they are forging right on past where traditional Apple users are unwilling to go.  I wouldn't so much agree with the statement that "the Mac works and Windows doesn't".  A more configurable and versatile technology requires more understanding and effort on the part of the user to get it working for him/her.  Enter the developer.   I would agree that, what is easy to do, the Mac does the best.  Windows does that plus everything else.  

Linux is an even more extreme case of a developer-dominated market.  They think that Bill Gates is the evil emperor, not so much Steve Jobs.  So if you are a Windows user, you are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes and that is, perhaps, the best place to be.

Simply put, the geeky linux developers are the type the Steve Jobs does NOT want to develop apps for iPhone and iPad.

It takes discipline to make something works the way it should be.

Windows kinda work, alright, but there are just too many software packages that are utter crap.

That is precisely what Steve Jobs wants to avoid - making Apple products utter crap, just like Microsoft's Tablet PC.

[Kadri]

Every time i see more then one quote in a message i think instantly "here we go" !

[red_planet]

too much coffee ??   

Rgds

Chris

[Rhalph]

So your gripe is that you don't get a webcam on iPhone? Izzat it?

What's next? A pop-up Mexican Musician that plays la cucaracha mix with la bamba? How about a floating Disco Ball? With some Dancing Cobras thrown in?

Wouldn't that be swell?

Just because you think a webcam is essential does not make it so.

Imagine holding a phone to take some video. iPhone is a PHONE first and foremost, and tell me, how many "unforgetable photos" or "unbelievable video" you have taken with your phone's camera, huh?

People nowadays are crazy. It's like they want their cars to fly and dive and wash their laundries while changing their baby's diapers.

But sorry.

If I were Mr. Steve Jobs I won't want you as a user of my product anyway.

Err... Calm down. Please.

I don't care to have an iPhone with thousands of gadgets (actually, here is my high-end phone in which I spent hundreds of euros: clicky)

What I was trying to say is that Apple had a webcam ready to work for the iPad. But they choosed to release the iPad without the webcam.
And they will release a new iPad in a few months, this time with a webcam, which they could have done right now.
It's just that this way, they will make much more money because many people will buy the first iPad version AND the next version. For me, this behaviour is crap, and certainly not respectful of the users.

Capito?

Replace "webcam" with "USB port" if you want a useful feature-removed-on-purpose.

[Marcos Silveira]

I bought an iPod touch and that piece of shit couldn't at least tune FM stations!!!!!
I immediately wondered: What's the point in having this crap?!?!?

[neuspadrin]

I have never owned an apple product, and thats the way I like it.  Overpriced overused over-hyped.  I'll give them credit that they can make a decent ui... but then again, thats about all they do right.  And Microsoft has been catching up with them, and a lot of things osx did was taken from linux in the first place.

I can live with the OSX, but thats because its based off a unix kernel.

Heres what really bothers me about apple.... if they had as many users as Microsoft they would be ripped apart as a monopoly etc.  They bundle EVERYTHING together.  If Microsoft tried to bundle like that they would get put into so many antitrust lawsuits.  Thats just talking software, not even mentioning the fact its illegal to install a mac os on non mac hardware.  And it wouldn't even work that well overall because you need the proper drivers and modules etc to get it working right with various hardware. One reason why mac has always been able to claim "it just works" is that DUHHH they make the only computers available for you to buy it on.  They don't need to test it on thousands of different combinations of hardware, they know EXACTLY what is going into the computers they need to support. 

And lets not forget Apple almost completely died in the 90s for its ignoring developers.  We are kinda important to keep things alive... It wasn't until OSX and the ipod people even remembered Apple still was hanging around.

But yes, Apple can market, it can make great consumer devices... and thats their target, to get MONEY from consumers.  Microsoft however has for a long time targeted companies who need specific applications, and ease of use etc.  With windows 7 they've made some major ui increases.

Personally I just have a normal phone, but if I were to ever go to get a smartphone it will most definitely be android powered.  And as for mp3 players I have always gone creatives, but they seem to have slacked off recently so my next upgrade might be a zune hd.

[Zairyn Arsyn]

I have never owned an apple product, and thats the way I like it.  Overpriced overused over-hyped.  I'll give them credit that they can make a decent ui... but then again, thats about all they do right.  And Microsoft has been catching up with them, and a lot of things osx did was taken from linux in the first place.

I can live with the OSX, but thats because its based off a unix kernel.

Heres what really bothers me about apple.... if they had as many users as Microsoft they would be ripped apart as a monopoly etc.  They bundle EVERYTHING together.  If Microsoft tried to bundle like that they would get put into so many antitrust lawsuits.  Thats just talking software, not even mentioning the fact its illegal to install a mac os on non mac hardware.  And it wouldn't even work that well overall because you need the proper drivers and modules etc to get it working right with various hardware. One reason why mac has always been able to claim "it just works" is that DUHHH they make the only computers available for you to buy it on.  They don't need to test it on thousands of different combinations of hardware, they know EXACTLY what is going into the computers they need to support.  

And lets not forget Apple almost completely died in the 90s for its ignoring developers.  We are kinda important to keep things alive... It wasn't until OSX and the ipod people even remembered Apple still was hanging around.

But yes, Apple can market, it can make great consumer devices... and thats their target, to get MONEY from consumers.  Microsoft however has for a long time targeted companies who need specific applications, and ease of use etc.  With windows 7 they've made some major ui increases.

Personally I just have a normal phone, but if I were to ever go to get a smartphone it will most definitely be android powered.  And as for mp3 players I have always gone creatives, but they seem to have slacked off recently so my next upgrade might be a zune hd.

Well put Neuspadrin, thats pretty much how i feel about apple.... these days.