QuoteThe environmental movement is a neo-pagan religion? Can you even define the "environmental movement"? This is reminiscent of the Cornwall Alliance's declaration that the "environmental movement" is the literal Biblical antichrist (Green Dragon), otherwise known as batshittery amongst polite circles.
Where did I say that, I think, the environmental movement is a neo-pagan religion? No place. Its funny you accusing me of argumentative fallacy, and then twisting my words or just flat out putting words in my mouth which you have done several times in this thread already.
But the environmental movement does in fact include a large subset of so called earth worshipers or, neo-pagans. Who are affecting the culture of the Earth/Environmental movement. This subject was broached in the videos, both the lecture video and the debate video. Did you even watch?
I dont know the cornwall alliance or their views on anything. But I'm sure you are mentioning some crazy people you found on the internet, in order to associate my views with theirs.
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Also, those department and industries were not the point of this thread.
Like China, genocide, Al Gore? Nature with a capital 'N', by the way, is a catch all term for the physical and natural universe, hence the most highly respected scientific journal in the world is called (you guessed it) Nature.
"The nature of nature" doesn't exactly read right.
Al Gore was mentioned in the video multiple times. I added china as an example of where Holdern's ideas are policy.
The journal "Nature" should be capitalized. Nature is also capitalized when it is being referred to as a person. But there is no such person as Mother Nature, by any name. The Earth its self, is not alive. When people refer to the Earth as a person, this is neo-paganry. This is how Al Gore has repeatedly used the word nature in his talks and writing. I do not know if he believes in "Nature" or if he is simply pandering to the most devoted of his supporters.
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I am sorry that my sharing my feelings on this subject brought you to anger.
Straw man fallacy. I might have been rubbing my eyes in disbelief at your attack on the "environmental movement", though.
Straw man, really? I was being sincere.
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Yet the movements you seem to support and their public faces actively seek the power necessary to directly effect my life and my liberty, even my very ability to work and prosper.
Does Alex Epstein point out that the coal industry costs the US taxpayers up to just under half a trillion dollars in external costs each year (cleanup, healthcare, etc)? Thought not. How does uncritically supporting a shill for a US Chamber of Commerce astroturfing front group, who cleverly appeals to a section of the population's confirmation biases and propagandises for industries that wilfully pollute their neighbors' properties and health without permission while they rent-seek through socialising their external costs, tie in with your (seemingly) libertarian values?
He does in fact respond to the external cost argument of his opponent in the debate, and the question of external costs relating to what the environmental movement wants.
The rest of what your saying here is your personal view, which you are entitled to, Im not in agreement or opposition. I have already said in this thread that I do not trust the energy companies anymore than I trust the environmental movement, which is to say, not at all. I have already said I don't trust anyone to have power over my life.
I have not made one argument in favor of the oil companies as entities, I have not praised them in any way. It is fallacious of you to try and make it sound as though, because Im against most of the environmental movement, that therefore I am for big energy. Or that I am against a heathy eco-system. I am not. Why should I make arguments on your behalf? Why do we only ever get to choose between two horrible things?
Yes I am a libertarian. And like Ron Paul, I believe we are all completely screwed. But that does not mean that I'm going to jump on the environmental bandwagon and help them make things even worse.