Why the Meltdown Should Have Surprised No One

Started by AP, May 14, 2012, 05:09:50 AM

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efflux

The US needs to reinstate Glass Steagall and shut down the Fed. Write off the banking debts and release money from the government to start rebuilding the economy. Shutting down the Fed would kill the current total Euro tyranny as well because the Fed is keeping that alive. Exactly as the Bankers once supported Hilter. There is no difference in general policy here.

There are even calls in the UK to use Glass Steagall style rules and this is coming from some bankers!

Obama and the other puppets in the US (Romney etc) will not reinstate Glass Steagall because they are banker puppets same as most of the scum running things in Europe. Instead they will take the US down maybe via war with Russia and China. That is the present direction.

One thing that needs to avoided is this country versus that country. If you critique Obama or Cameron or Merkel or whoever it doesn't mean you are critiquing the people of those states except in general, people in Western counties have become very stupid as far as I can see. The bankers love one nation against another because they can benefit best from these nations waring with each other but they will be quite happy with civil war everywhere as well or even nuclear war. They are psychopathic so full scale nuclear war is not beyond them at all.

Tangled-Universe

#46
It was the same lobby who succesfully managed to have the regulations of banks being released. That happened in the late eighties and nineties.
Before that the Glass Steagall Act regulated speculation and the size of the banks and the volume of currency they were allowed to put on the market.
Then upon installation of several acts, the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act for instance, the banks were basically allowed to do anything they like.
Speculation and flooding the market with cheap money were the result.

In combination with "clever" tricks like fractional reserve banking, bonds and what not there developed a ginormous amount of non-existent money.
It wasn't backed up by anything, it was just created out of thin air. Who started it and still performs this in eerie perfection? The Fed.
Read more here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/

Indeed, the Fed should be shut down.
For christ sake (excuse me), the Fed is a frikkin' private bank. Better said, 100% of the Fed's shareholders are private banks.
It's not a government institution. Yet they determine whatever happens financially on global scale.

So the next part is considered tin foil hat stuff by everybody who only watches TV and consumes mainstream stuff ;)
These tin foil hat people warned us for the past 10 years and so far when it comes to this crisis and banksters stories they were more often right than wrong it seemed eventually.

How on earth is it possible that ONE private corporation completely owns the world economy?
The owners of these private banks are families like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc. These banks are major shareholders for virtually every large energy/oil/weapons/financing company in the world. It literally all branches upwards to these handful of families.
They control *everything*.

Since this is what the banksters wanted themselves it will *never ever* happen that these changes will be reverted in the financial system.
It is instigated by the banksters lobby and they are the only ones capable of reverting it as they are puppeted by the banksters themselves.

A central world government is their agenda as they want to further expand their control and power.
I don't believe they want to decimate the population like many conspiracy dudes think, but one large world government isn't unthinkable.

For instance, current president of the European Union, Herman van Rompuy, announced he wants to start negotiating to put the complete European Union under one budget. "In order to reshape economical and monetary operations so that countries like Greece and Spain won't be able to affect the Euro as a whole anymore" is his motivation. Basically enslaving all the other 'debt-less' (figuratively speaking) countries is what it means.

That's where things come full circle with the above.
Once Europe has reshaped his economical and monetary operations in this way then everything will be centrally operated.
The mechanism by which this idea from van Rompuy needs to succeed is by deliberately keeping the crisis alive by the Fed. Otherwise there would be no need to reshape.
van Rompuy himself isn't necessarily aware he's being puppet in this.
This gives rise to "the need of a centralised solution" which otherwise wouldn't be accepted that easily, because souverignty needs to be transferred to a single party.
Naturally that gives a lot of resistence, for a good reason, but if you suffocate countries long enough in a crisis then they will accept this eventually.

The Fed and families fully control and own every dollar in the world and they want to keep it that way, because the world economy still uses the Dollar as standard/reference. The Euro is a strong competitor of the Dollar and potential danger to their economical and monetary power.
Transferring the Euro operations to a single entity only means they will need a single puppet to pull its strings.
The puppets are already in place. Van Rompuy, Draghi, Monti etc. etc.

The latter two are from Goldman Sachs, also a private bank from those families which is shareholder of the Fed.....coincidence of course!
The latter also member of Bilderberg conference group, a group of bankers, industrialists and selected politicians who annually meet....coincidence of course!
Like with every conference in any field of work you meet people and discuss your work, the problems and how you can help each other out.
The same happens at those conferences. It's not unthinkable, nor unlikely, that a lot of decisions and agreements are made there behind closed doors.
That's why democracy isn't working anymore. The significant and 'big things' has been decided about long before you realize or think you can have any influence on.
Which you can't anyway.

It really makes me wonder when people wake up and see/realize how WRONG and sad the world is and how we're manipulated in such brutal manner and on such a massive scale.

But hey, as long as we have our iDevices, Facebook, MTV, Macdonalds etc.we're all fine and don't care...don't we? ;D

choronr

...unless however, we have a mass failure of the power grid (solar flares) - then we have almost nothing for a long, long time!

TheBadger

WOW! We all actually agree on something!

One thing we all seem to agree on (me included) is that the federal reserve bank is evil. And that bankers in general are pieces of shit.
I am not talking about the tellers at your local banks or even the leaders of your local banks. I am talking about the world bankers. These people have proven them selves over and over to be dishonest at best. And demons from hell at worst. But they not even the real problem.
The real problem is that all of our countries are divided against them selves. And no matter who runs for office or what party says what, we cant believe a word they say.

We are all in real trouble. I am almost thankful for the economic difficulties. Because when everything is good in our wallets, we don't pay attention. for 40 years we have not been paying attention. And now we are all on the brink.


I dont know if taking our money from the gold standard was good or not. I mean I just don't know. I don't know about any of the individuals at the fed. I don't know what the real motivations of the people at the fed are, or the leaders in any party in any part of the world are for that matter.
But what I do know is that putting wolves in charge of the hen house is stupid, stupid, stupid.

It has been eaten.

efflux

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on September 13, 2012, 01:59:23 PM
It was the same lobby who succesfully managed to have the regulations of banks being released. That happened in the late eighties and nineties.
Before that the Glass Steagall Act regulated speculation and the size of the banks and the volume of currency they were allowed to put on the market.
Then upon installation of several acts, the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act for instance, the banks were basically allowed to do anything they like.
Speculation and flooding the market with cheap money were the result.

In combination with "clever" tricks like fractional reserve banking, bonds and what not there developed a ginormous amount of non-existent money.
It wasn't backed up by anything, it was just created out of thin air. Who started it and still performs this in eerie perfection? The Fed.
Read more here: http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-owns-the-federal-reserve/

Indeed, the Fed should be shut down.
For christ sake (excuse me), the Fed is a frikkin' private bank. Better said, 100% of the Fed's shareholders are private banks.
It's not a government institution. Yet they determine whatever happens financially on global scale.

So the next part is considered tin foil hat stuff by everybody who only watches TV and consumes mainstream stuff ;)
These tin foil hat people warned us for the past 10 years and so far when it comes to this crisis and banksters stories they were more often right than wrong it seemed eventually.

How on earth is it possible that ONE private corporation completely owns the world economy?
The owners of these private banks are families like the Rothschilds, Rockefellers etc. These banks are major shareholders for virtually every large energy/oil/weapons/financing company in the world. It literally all branches upwards to these handful of families.
They control *everything*.

Since this is what the banksters wanted themselves it will *never ever* happen that these changes will be reverted in the financial system.
It is instigated by the banksters lobby and they are the only ones capable of reverting it as they are puppeted by the banksters themselves.

A central world government is their agenda as they want to further expand their control and power.
I don't believe they want to decimate the population like many conspiracy dudes think, but one large world government isn't unthinkable.

For instance, current president of the European Union, Herman van Rompuy, announced he wants to start negotiating to put the complete European Union under one budget. "In order to reshape economical and monetary operations so that countries like Greece and Spain won't be able to affect the Euro as a whole anymore" is his motivation. Basically enslaving all the other 'debt-less' (figuratively speaking) countries is what it means.

That's where things come full circle with the above.
Once Europe has reshaped his economical and monetary operations in this way then everything will be centrally operated.
The mechanism by which this idea from van Rompuy needs to succeed is by deliberately keeping the crisis alive by the Fed. Otherwise there would be no need to reshape.
van Rompuy himself isn't necessarily aware he's being puppet in this.
This gives rise to "the need of a centralised solution" which otherwise wouldn't be accepted that easily, because souverignty needs to be transferred to a single party.
Naturally that gives a lot of resistence, for a good reason, but if you suffocate countries long enough in a crisis then they will accept this eventually.

The Fed and families fully control and own every dollar in the world and they want to keep it that way, because the world economy still uses the Dollar as standard/reference. The Euro is a strong competitor of the Dollar and potential danger to their economical and monetary power.
Transferring the Euro operations to a single entity only means they will need a single puppet to pull its strings.
The puppets are already in place. Van Rompuy, Draghi, Monti etc. etc.

The latter two are from Goldman Sachs, also a private bank from those families which is shareholder of the Fed.....coincidence of course!
The latter also member of Bilderberg conference group, a group of bankers, industrialists and selected politicians who annually meet....coincidence of course!
Like with every conference in any field of work you meet people and discuss your work, the problems and how you can help each other out.
The same happens at those conferences. It's not unthinkable, nor unlikely, that a lot of decisions and agreements are made there behind closed doors.
That's why democracy isn't working anymore. The significant and 'big things' has been decided about long before you realize or think you can have any influence on.
Which you can't anyway.

It really makes me wonder when people wake up and see/realize how WRONG and sad the world is and how we're manipulated in such brutal manner and on such a massive scale.

But hey, as long as we have our iDevices, Facebook, MTV, Macdonalds etc.we're all fine and don't care...don't we? ;D

Yeah. This is all true and it's not even that hard to work out. People who say this stuff is conspiracy theory are stupid. Do they actually think that these politicians and bankers don't conspire? The Romans used to talk about giving the people bread and circuses to keep them occupied with nonsense so they hadn't a clue what was going on. Same story today.

I was watching Cameron and Clegg the other day. These guys actually physically behave like puppets with all their fake arm gestures etc. It's really incredible.

They are constantly whittling down the UK armed forces at the moment. Why is this? It's not rocket science. They want a European army as step to world army. Always the same aims with these people.

The US army pretty much seems to be taking orders from the UN these days. The US Congress and other governments act like they are just ceremonial.

efflux

Quote from: choronr on September 13, 2012, 05:40:12 PM
...unless however, we have a mass failure of the power grid (solar flares) - then we have almost nothing for a long, long time!

This is an important point that leads on to other issues. One day we will get hit by an asteroid which will wipe out a large amount of life on this planet. That is a definite. It's happened many times before. We do have the capability to develop technology to avoid that. Instead our leaders value money and control, not safeguarding the future of the human species as a whole. All species on this planet go extinct eventually. Mankind is an exception in that we have the capability to continually develop our creativity in dealing with these problems right out into the universe. If we don't do that we will become extinct like every other species that can not move ahead. That's why big lizards died out and were replaced by mammals who had better survival capability in changing environment. Notice this term "sustainability". Species that simply sustain themselves die out. We need new technologies to generate power. Windmills and such nonsense are a way to keep the population "sustained" i.e. under control of Oligarchs.

The ultimate aim of Oligarchs is to constantly cull the population and keep them in "austerity". Look at every policy currently being adopted and that is the aim.

efflux

One major hurdle the bankers have is that the American people are armed. You can bet they will do everything possible to end this because if they collapse the economy and America descends into chaos, whatever military they send in will get a wake up call. They will not be keen on fighting that war.

One of the main objectives of any tyranny is to disarm the people. It's obvious to anyone with any brain cells left why this is a prime objective. You don't bully armed people into submission.

The traitors all signed up to a UN non proliferation of small arms treaty. This gives nation states the right to hold arms but not the people. Meanwhile everyone is busy watching the usual smokescreens on TV.

efflux

The brainwashing of people is incredibly effective.

In the UK we used to have arms. I even remember some relatives of mine had shotguns. My grandfather had a pistol because he was a vet. It wasn't unusual to see guns. Now ask anyone if they should be able to buy a gun and they invariably think this is wrong and even look at you like you are mad. What changed?

We have a Bill Of Rights in the UK.

William Blackstone 1707:

"The fifth and last auxiliary right of the subject, that I shall at present mention, is that of having arms for their defence, suitable to their condition and degree, and such as are allowed by law. Which is also declared by the same statute I W. & M. st.2. c.2. and is indeed a public allowance, under due restrictions, of the natural right of resistance and self-preservation, when the sanctions of society and laws are found insufficient to restrain the violence of oppression."

Now even Obama says that owning guns is not for self defense, it's for hunting. That is not why the American Constitution gives rights to bear arms.

Freedom means being responsible, not having your rights stripped away due to being irresponsible.

efflux

The Guardian UK. Liberal (1984 double speak these days) newspaper. Did this reporter bother to check any facts? There is more crime in the UK per person than the US and gun crime has doubled in the last 10 years. Gun control in the UK has not stopped gun crime. In fact it has had the opposite effect. The US isn't even a good model for gun crime compared to gun ownership. There is still more gun crime in the US than UK but in the UK it's rocketing up. In Australia it has multiplied dramatically since they recently took away their arms. The Police are not armed in the UK, at least ordinary Police. Of course the solution that gets discussed is that the Police should be armed. So Police are responsible enough to have guns but the people aren't. You can be sure you are in a Tyranny when the Police have guns but the people don't.

Here the Guardian appears to lecture the US about gun crime while ignoring facts:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/26/james-holmes-us-gun-laws

TheBadger

#54
^^ interesting read efflux. Did not know some of those gun statistics you mentioned. Thanks for the info!

I like everything you said about disarming the population and tyranny, because its historically true.
Its sad... People who end up in death camps always ask what they did wrong. Its obvious that they did not learn from history, thats what people in mass graves did wrong.
It has been eaten.

efflux

People who end up in death camps also do not usually believe what is happening. It's often said why didn't anyone do anything to stop the Nazis? Because people didn't think it could happen. Like they now can't believe that our governments could tell such massive lies and have such evil intentions which will lead to the same sorts of results we have seen time and time again.

As for the people being armed, the Swiss are. They don't get invaded (and the EU is essentially an invasion). It's not the only reason they stay out of wars but it's one of them.

Andrew March

#56
Jed Bartlet for president!

JimB

Quote from: efflux on September 26, 2012, 03:31:02 AM
Did this reporter bother to check any facts? There is more crime in the UK per person than the US

Not so fast.

The Daily Mail article that's thrown this out into the blogosphere compares the UK's TOTAL crime to US VIOLENT crime. Make of that what you will. Specifically on the subject of firearms offences, in England it's classed as a firearms offence if a replica gun is waved around or used to hit someone with, or even if an air rifle is discharged in a public place. Carrying a concealed weapon in any shape or form is also a criminal offence, such as a hunting knife or even a pen knife (without a really, really, really, really, really, good reason for carrying them), and will be classed as a crime involving a weapon. Furthermore, crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence (according to the UK Home Office themselves).
Some bits and bobs
The Galileo Fallacy, 'Argumentum ad Galileus':
"They laughed at Galileo. They're laughing at me. Therefore I am the next Galileo."

Nope. Galileo was right for the simpler reason that he was right.

efflux

I don't know what the daily mail article says but I can't find anything that really suggests banning guns reduces crime. Of course if they suddenly changed the law in the UK so anyone could go and buy a gun, you may well get a mass of gun crime but in a state where people are used to not taking take full responsibility for their own freedom you'd likely get irresponsible behaviour if this responsibility was suddenly with the individual again.

You could look at this on a higher level. If government criminal activity was a measure of crime then over history you'd probably find that having everyone armed would be a big deterrent to crime. This is really the most important reason for any population to be armed. The biggest criminals are in government.

Often the argument is used that we live in different times. Owning guns is not relevant anymore. So suddenly now the human race is all good, no evil politicians, bankers or whoever is running the show? I think it's obvious that argument is a fail.

Andrew March

#59
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