Thanks all...in the mean time awaiting replies I revisited Mr Google to see the source of my inspiration and all comments ring true...except the foreground reeds...not very Japanese/Chinese...they tend to be OCD about contrived landscapes, with trees distorted into wild shapes the main organic input....they like water a lot as well. O K, I'm generalizing but in my mind I had a zen like scene...will I think redesign the scene from scratch I think. Stay tuned