Digitial Domain and Student Tuition

Started by rcallicotte, March 29, 2012, 11:17:34 am

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TheBadger

Thanks for that Oshyan, its good to know that the people at Planetside think about the human side of business. But you guys have proven this many times, at least in my eyes.

What surprised me most in that article (if its all true) is that the Gnomon school in L.A. is going down this path. I cant believe that the industry and culture in LA would let this go on. If the unions would stop getting into bed with politicians, maybe they would have more time to take care of their people better. Maybe then not so many people would hate unions.
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AP

Gnomon, huh. That was another school i wanted to get in as well. Sad. However, i can say that there DVD Tutorials are fairly priced.
Unions for sure are not what they used to be.

TheBadger

Quote from: ChrisC on April 01, 2012, 03:52:39 pm
Gnomon, huh. That was another school i wanted to get in as well. Sad. However, i can say that there DVD Tutorials are fairly priced.
Unions for sure are not what they used to be.


Yeah, despite everything I said (which I really do feel) I still think about going to Gnomon for the equivalent of an MFA, or to the SAIC to get my real MFA. But this desire only helps me to understand how people can get roped into bad deals like those in the article above. If I was rich and could waste money I would do it. But even if I was rich I would not pay those schools to work on their projects, just out of spite.
I have some Gnomon DVDs. They are nice, and you can sometimes find them used on Amazon for even less.

Quote from: ChrisC on April 01, 2012, 03:52:39 pm
Unions for sure are not what they used to be.


I have to say that there is some good in everything. The Unions helped the U.S. defeat communism in the states during the depression and earlier, by providing labor movements an alternative to communism. The unions were forced to become so anti communist to survive, that members actively worked against the communist party start ups in a clandestine fashion. To bad the unions of today are not as smart as they used to be. Maybe conservatives would call them patriots rather than socialists. And things could start to improve for everybody.
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rcallicotte

Thanks Oshyan.  I didn't know about the change with DD.  But, I do appreciate hearing your opinion. 

It takes so much skill, talent, and dedication to work through all of this software and learn how to be useful in it.  Not recognizing this effort is hugely disrespectful.
So this is Disney World.  Can we live here?

rcallicotte

So this is Disney World.  Can we live here?

AP

What worries me particularity about today's Unions is this Mob Rule mentality, connections with a powerful influence to certain Lobby Groups (both state and federal) and making many unrealistic demands which in turn can harm a competitive market place. The end result also hurts young minimum wage earners because of such demands.

TheBadger

Their thugs. Its as simple as that. So are the Union busters. The rest of us just suffer in the wake of their stupidity and power lust.

I had great hopes someone would arrive on the stage for this current presidential campaign, someone who could actually unite and bring hope, a leader. But as everyone can see, thats not going to happen.
America is like van gogh, who shot him self in the head in a barren field, and could not even get that right. Passion and stupidity is the legacy of the baby boomers generation, whatever else they are, this is how history will remember them.
It has been eaten.

AP

Not so sure, delegates still need to be counted. It's still early.  ;)

rcallicotte

So this is Disney World.  Can we live here?

AP

April 05, 2012, 10:56:27 pm #24 Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 10:58:51 pm by ChrisC
Yes, that is very disappointing. I would rather make minimum wage then work for just entirely nothing. I still need food to eat, clothing on my back and a home look after. Unless the Government want's to just hand me out entitlements under a inflating welfare state to pay for all my living so i can bum off of the 53% through forced coercion but then i would fell like compete human trash.

TheBadger

From that thread you posted

Quotehttp://vfxsoldier.wordpress.com/about/
"The top box office grossing films of the last 30 years were driven by an abundant amount of visual effects and so were the top 100 films of all time which made a combined amount of $56 Billion dollars. If you were new to this industry, you would suspect that the companies that administer visual effects for the Hollywood conglomerates would be fortune 500 companies with stock prices that rival Apple or Google.

Isn't it ironic that the visual effects industry is one of the worst businesses to be in? Each facility operates on a flawed business model by losing or making no money at all on the blockbuster films they conduct work on. On a good year they will make a profit margin as small as 3-5%. How can this be possible? The reason why is Hollywood studio conglomerates effectively leverage their position by pitting vfx facilities so strongly against each other that eventually one company ends up taking the project for a loss. In fact, one producer was so bold as to state in an article that:

If I don't put a visual effects shop out of business (on my movie), I'm not doing my job."
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TheBadger

Quote from: ChrisC on April 02, 2012, 11:17:40 pm
Not so sure, delegates still need to be counted. It's still early.  ;)


Are you still counting?  :-\  ;)

At one time in the US, it was a religious, cultural, societal, belief that ripping people off was wrong. Of course it's always been that someone is out there taking advantage of others, but those people, however rich they became, were not viewed as heroes of industry. Now?
All of western civilizations ideals are dying. This story in the OP is just one example that effects the people in this community in an obvious way. I'm not talking about politics, right or left, I'm talking about who we are (were) as a civilization.
Liberty is traded for fear, and never is safety found. Then we sell our children in to serfdom for some of the same ideas we fought wars against.

AND where are all the artists?!? In history artists were a vehicle for Truth, liberating the minds of the masses. Goya, Jacques-Louis David, just to name two who move me. Well? The artists are all busy worrying about meaningless esthetics, and can't be bothered right now, when they do have time, their busy playing with politics, reducing art to party propaganda. Sure is pretty though.

The artists who work in VFX have a natural link to the biggest canvas ever made. If only they would pull together. Then again, why should an FX union be any different than the rest of them?
It has been eaten.

AP

Not counting but i have hope and i think the folks are waking up to that fact. Worse case scenario we have a "good" revolution and start over. We defy the "kings" just as the Founders did with King George's tyrannical state. If we are on a road to serfdom which we very well could be then we overthrow the rulers at some point. There are more of us then them.

As an Artist who is more traditional then digital, i to value the classics and the value of what they did. I hate Politics most of the time and all i want is Liberty, less Government and Free Enterprise. Competition is good but stabbing others in the back is not. In a Free Market, there still needs to be principles and we are loosing that. Post-Modernism, Progressive Ideologies, and the 60s really changed what we once were.

Art to me is creating other worlds with positive messages thrown in. I will never do Art for the sake of making an individual or a group of people by means of forced coercion to alter there life-style or individual thoughts nor freedom. The Artists should stay out of Activism as Hollywood nor the Liberal Academics should never be the majority rule for the rest of the nation and what they feel is in there self-interests to alter Government. Good intentions can have bad consequences. Every person should be liberated to what they want as long as they do not harm others. We would prosper and not have Lobbyists telling us and the Market what to do.

In a Free Enterprise system with limited Government, the back stabbers will loose and they will not be bailed out. The Marker will correct itself and there is less risk in investments. More Jobs can be started that way. The polluters will be taken to court as Private Property rights will reign in. Contract Laws will make certain no one gets away with anything. Food safety can be overlooked by the food companies themselves if the public demands it. The freedom to grow our own healthy food as subsidies and government-owned land are eliminated. The successful will win and anyone will have the opportunity to compete fairly and society will progress and new investments will be made, new technologies will get into the Marker faster, quality will go up, other nations will become good trading partners, we will be allowed to keep more of our money, safe it, invest it. The best spenders of money is you, the individual.

AP


Kadri

April 06, 2012, 04:09:18 pm #29 Last Edit: April 06, 2012, 04:58:01 pm by Kadri

Man i am really stunned to read some things you write here!
Probably all you live in USA ,England etc. ?
Your view of economy , unions etc is so nice i think the very rich guys are laughing hard when they read these things you think are good for the masses !

Did you thought why mostly the equivalent hard disks , LCD's etc. are nearly in the same price range? Free Enterprise ?
Yes free to not undermine themselves . They do this all the time.
Some times you hear a lawsuit but mostly not. Yeah no need for government (says the corporations )!*

And  "All of western civilizations ideals are dying" ...yeah they can not do slavery anymore (It has other names now).
Imperialism in the name of democracy and religion etc...Or was it the other way around? Anyway...
Those where the days with principles !*

How could the artists stand against the corporations?
I hate politics too and sometimes think that i am naive , but you are really interesting guys that only see the the flowers and trees without the bears ,centipede etc.

*Sarcasm.