National socialism and communism in Greece?

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The Dichotomy of the UK is that you have the country of Great Britain then you have the United Kingdom Corporation. In the America you have The United States Of America then you have the United States Corporation. City Of London and Washington DC are also separate states. The real countries have common law. The corporate angle is run under corporate law. This is what all the Bills and Acts are. In the US and UK (also British Commonwealth countries) this corporate law is meant to always be trumped by the law of the land which is common law. America is the strongest last vestige of this law of the land. Most countries are purely corporate and the people are techically slaves and property of state. Free trade is simply corporate law for the benefit of corporations. That's why Obama will sign any old corporate treaty. He's a puppet. Many Islamic countries are not this way though. That's due to laws being seen as from god not created by corporate governments. When people lost these religious beliefs they did not replace those higher than government powers with anything. Once government is the highest power you end up with no rights. Many tyrannies literally outlaw religion for this reason.

TheBadger

QuotePutin, Ahmadinejad, Chavez to various degees stand for something that isn't part of the globalist banking cartel so they are a check on power, like them or not.

You can say the same about this guy:
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I think this is the President of Turkmenistan or something.

It has been eaten.

yossam


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Seth

Quote from: TheBadger on May 06, 2013, 10:24:27 pm

You can say the same about this guy:
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I think this is the President of Turkmenistan or something.




hehehe Here is the bigger version available : http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4527/1235235295253.jpg
That, my dear TheBadger, is a fine american redneck !
Did you notice the Guitar Hero Controller ? ;)

Oh and just for information, that is the president of Turkmenistan : http://blouinnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/640x432/public/images/story/2012_10_20/turkmenistan-president-kurbanguly-berdymukhamedov.jpg

PabloMack

May 07, 2013, 09:17:13 am #35 Last Edit: May 07, 2013, 09:29:19 am by PabloMack
Quote from: Seth on May 07, 2013, 06:08:53 am
hehehe Here is the bigger version available : http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4527/1235235295253.jpg
That, my dear TheBadger, is a fine american redneck !


Ha-ha-ha. Seth, you are so innocent. Someone needs to take you out to a real redneck bar so you can meet a real American redneck. In the USA that guy would have been riding a Harley Davidson forty years ago. It would most likely have been one of those "choppers". He likes the feel of his long hair blowing in the wind. He probably doesn't even wear a helmet when he is on the road. If he does it would be one of those Kaiser-style half helmets the Germans wore in WWI, you know, with the silver spike on the top. Bikers today are most often "skin heads". Rednecks in Texas are clean cut, take baths, wear cowboy hats and drive pickup trucks with shotgun racks on the back. But they make the best Bar-B-Cue in the world. The South African "bries" don't even come close. The reason they are called "red necks" is that they get a lot of sun exposure on the backs of their necks which you can't get if you are a long-haired "hippy". They are typical of the oil field worker. True red necks are hard workers. Hippies don't want to work and are generally slobs like the guy in Turkmenistan. Seems over time, though, this dichotomy has blurred a great deal.

It seems that the image of the biker of the 60's and 70's has changed so the guy in Turkmenistan is 40 years behind the times in the USA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqPK80CFxbQ

I recently discovered that the Voortrekkers of South Africa know the words to "Sweet Home Alabama" better than most Americans. They would get along real well with American rednecks because they are cut out of the same mold.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHsDa9_HSlA

The NRA just had their national convention in Houston this past weekend. My wife and I went just because they were in town this year. We went down and got in free because I had my brand new shiney membership card. Those in attendance appeared to be a typical cross-section of law abiding conservative America. Granted, some of those would not be so law abiding if they were economically stressed.

AP

Not really a fan of the NRA, more of a GOA person myself. Gun Owners of America. Of course i stand with the natural human right of self-defense to protect life over the merely the Second Amendment in which case our natural rights were here long before the signed documents.

True about the Rednecks... hehehe.

TheBadger

May 08, 2013, 02:07:31 am #37 Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 02:15:49 am by TheBadger
QuoteDid you notice the Guitar Hero Controller ?


No! from the small image I thought they were real Guitars. HAHHAHHA HAH AHHA HAH AAHHAA  AHHAHHAHA AHAH AHA hha ahah aHA hh ah ha!
What a guy!

I do like the knives though. In case he looses all his guns, and if he needs to get in close and personal, he can still make the kill.  ::)

QuoteOh and just for information, that is the president of Turkmenistan : http://blouinnews.com/sites/default/files/styles/640x432/public/images/story/2012_10_20/turkmenistan-president-kurbanguly-berdymukhamedov.jpg


Ahh your right. Dip shits all look the same to me.

The guy in the photo is President kurbanguly berdymukhamedov's Step brother, Raúl berdymukhamedov. He is President kurbanguly berdymukhamedov's Policy enforcer.
Mess with the kubaguly, and you will get the Raúl.

In fact there is a saying in Turkmenistan. Loosely translated it goes:
"Shit! Its Raul!"
It has been eaten.

PabloMack

May 08, 2013, 03:06:11 pm #38 Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 04:03:15 pm by PabloMack
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 02, 2013, 04:29:36 am
PabloMack, I don't know where to start with telling you how naïve some of the things are you are saying.
Fincial crisis 2008 not because of bankers, but because of do-gooders?


TU, tell me what happens when a bank makes a lot of loans and the borrowers can't or won't repay them on a massive scale. Don't go off on a humanitarian tear or some other philanthropic tangent. Just answer that simple question please.

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May 08, 2013, 04:09:35 pm #40 Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 04:30:47 pm by Tangled-Universe
Quote from: PabloMack on May 08, 2013, 03:06:11 pm
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 02, 2013, 04:29:36 am
PabloMack, I don't know where to start with telling you how naïve some of the things are you are saying.
Fincial crisis 2008 not because of bankers, but because of do-gooders?


TU, tell me what happens when a bank makes a lot of loans and the borrowers can't or won't repay them on a massive scale. Don't go off on a humanitarian tear or some other philanthropistic tangent. Just answer that simple question please.


Don't try putting words into my mouth ;)

The shortest answer to that simple question is the answer you want to hear....but I know you're sometimes the type of guy who stops reading any further, so I'll save it for the end ;)

If you dive into the origin of the Fed, the big crunch in the 30's, installation of glass-steagall and such, then the breakdown of these inhibitory/regulating laws to prevent banks from abusing their position and prevent speculation, then you'll see more clearly what the crisis is about and what caused it.
There's an extreme lot more to it than people borrowing money and not being able to pay it back.

People who had these loans and couldn't pay for it caused the banks to go bankrupt.
Following your logic the banks tried to do good by giving people opportunities (I'll refrain from using parentheses here).

That's the answer you wanted to hear, wasn't it? ;)

As I have superbriefly explained there's a whole history before this crisis which made this all possible.
There's a lot more to it, but yes if you look at this as short-sighted as you do then none of this will or can make any sense, probably?

So to end a bit more constructive rather than expressing my amazement and disappointment in lack of observation and healthy amount of skepticism towards the "do-gooders", I would like to suggest to read this, just for starters:
http://www.forbes.com/2009/11/05/innovation-ayn-rand-intelligent-technology-capitalism.html

(from) there you can read that capitalism works if money is being backed up by something substantial, like labor.
In the past decades virtual fiat money has been created which wasn't being backed up by any kind of substantial thing of actual value.
Look up how fractional banking works and you'll find out.
Look up how US mortgages were backed by sick insurances.
Look up how the financial lobbyists destroyed all the protective mechanisms, designed in the 30's, which were to prevent a financial crisis like this.
Look up how Goldman Sachs tricked Greece into creeping the crisis into Europe (which would happen anyway)
Look up how high frequency trading affects money
Look up how high frequency trading was developed (it is STOLEN technology from a guy who was hired to PREVENT high frequency trading)

etc. etc.

But no no no....you still think it are do-gooders?

PabloMack

Cyphyr: Assuming your post was an attempt to answer my question, how about multiple choice?

  1. This is the borrower's addiction that made him lose his job so that he can't repay his loan.
  2. This is the borrower's reaction to his wife leaving him so he no longer had motive to repay his loan
       as in the Johnny Paycheck song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzGoDtmTllg
  3. This is the bank executive after the borrower refused to pay the loan.
  4. This is the home builder celebrating that he stuck the bank with a bad loan but got his money up front.
  5. This is the bank depositer who had money in the bank but is about to be screwed out of cash by the irresponsible borrower.
  6. This is the FDIC representative who realizes the bank is going to make a claim on the loss.
  7. This is a socialist ranting about the greedy banks because they don't give all of their depositors' money to the unemployed.
  8. This is the taxpayer who realizes his taxes are going to be used in a bailout because a bunch of deadbeats wouldn't
      pay back their loans.
  9. This is an insurgent that is celebrating because the western economy is about to colapse from bank loan defaults.
10. This is a "end timer" who believes that the banking colapse was staged to bring about a one world government.
11. This is the celebrating future world dictator whose plans to bring about a one world government seem to be panning out
      because of a global financial colapse.
12. This is a charity worker who is frustrated that so many people lost their money in bank defaults that they have nothing to
      give to his charity.
13. This man is over-using his medication for an ear infection (it has nothing to do with banking).
14. All of the Above.

PabloMack

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2013, 04:09:35 pm
Following your logic the banks tried to do good by giving people opportunities.
That's the answer you wanted to hear, wasn't it? ;)


No. I don't think that the banks were trying to do good here. I think that government and
non-profit programs helped people get loans that they couldn't repay. In the USA, at least,
it was many of these people who defaulted on their loans. The do-gooders were the ones
who helped set up this house of cards with their home ownership programs.

cyphyr

None of the above.

It represents my frustration at peoples inability to see the UTTER corruption of the world banking system.

It was not the defaulting on loans back in 08 and before that caused the international collapse. People refuse to see this. It was the international corrupt banking cartels manipulation of interest rates on an unimaginable (this "unimaginable" bit is part of the problem) level.
Please look in to LIDOR and ISDAfix.
These rates control entire countries debt. And they are manipulated to the profit of a very small group of unelected people.
The debt on you or anyone else's mortgage in NOTHING in comparison.

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PabloMack

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2013, 04:09:35 pm
Following your logic the banks tried to do good by giving people opportunities.
That's the answer you wanted to hear, wasn't it? ;)


No. I don't think that the banks were trying to do good here. I think that government and
non-profit programs helped people get loans that they couldn't repay. In the USA, at least,
it was many of these people who defaulted on their loans. The do-gooders were the ones
who helped set up this house of cards with their home ownership programs. But, as you
have pointed out, this is not the only thing going on with the banking industry. I am sorry
if I gave you the impression that I was saying that it was.

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2013, 04:09:35 pmBut no no no....you still think it are do-gooders?


When I wrote "do-gooders" I think I stepped on a nerve. A whole lot of ideas popped into your mind that were not intended by me. You say don't put words in your mouth (likewise I am sure). Let's de-escalate our emotional states. I am not disagreeing with you and I am agreeing with you in many ways. The government bailouts are terrible and taxpayers should not be punished for failures like GM etc. Bailouts also send a signal to business executives that they can give themselves bigger bonuses because the shortfall will be made up by the government. These people should go to prison or be shot.