National socialism and communism in Greece?

Started by TheBadger, May 01, 2013, 05:10:48 am

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Tangled-Universe

No you're right about that. It seemed that you didn't intend or mean that the financial system was the do-good, but something else.
So I was mistaken, although in the context of the discussion and in retrospect I can't see a lead yet which would give me a hint you would mean something else.
Anyway, not important anymore.

In that regard, yes then you step on a nerve, because it's frustrating in a way to see so much ignorance on this topic everywhere.
Again, in this case it seemed otherwise.

PabloMack

Quote from: cyphyr on May 08, 2013, 04:43:09 pm
It was the international corrupt banking cartels manipulation of interest rates on an unimaginable (this "unimaginable" bit is part of the problem) level.


Are you saying they set the rates too high for borrowers or too low for depositers (or both)? All I know is that banks charge 29% and more on credit cards while I get next to zero as a depositer. Almost all of the interest the banks should be paying me to use my money they are spending trying to get more cash out of me by printing up "offers" and buying postage for tons of unwanted mail that I just throw in the trash. I don't borrow money anymore because I would just get screwed. Perhaps I don't complain a lot about this because we live way below our means and pay as we go.

Tangled-Universe

May 08, 2013, 05:17:25 pm #47 Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 05:19:19 pm by Tangled-Universe
Quote from: cyphyr on May 08, 2013, 04:43:09 pm
None of the above.

It represents my frustration at peoples inability to see the UTTER corruption of the world banking system.

It was not the defaulting on loans back in 08 and before that caused the international collapse. People refuse to see this. It was the international corrupt banking cartels manipulation of interest rates on an unimaginable (this "unimaginable" bit is part of the problem) level.
Please look in to LIDOR and ISDAfix.
These rates control entire countries debt. And they are manipulated to the profit of a very small group of unelected people.
The debt on you or anyone else's mortgage in NOTHING in comparison.

Richard


I suppose you mean Libor, Richard?

I agree with you about the amount of corruption.
So much has already been directly proven of corruption and even a whole lot more is, despite being circumstantial, very clearly corrupted.
The sad thing is, we all know it's the tip of the iceberg.
I'm even afraid it's the grain of the tip of the iceberg, simply blown away by those unelected people you're referring to.
Without that grain or broken tip of the iceberg there's way enough left for them to regain what's "lost".

It's rooted deeply into everything around us and I'd like to refer to (one of) my first posts here where I briefly explained we're in the first place born because our parents loved to have and do love a child, but for the rest it's only meant you serve the system. You go to school, taught you need to learn a job, serve the system, consume, work until you're almost dead and then die. Thank you for your labor AND your money (how capitalistic is that huh, well it is not, it's corporatism through slavery).

Luckily I only think like this in discussions like these, because it's a supersad truth without much hope for change.
Very depressing if you can't detach yourself from this truth.
At least it's true in my eyes. I do not think a couple of unelected guys invented this way of life deliberately as part of some conspiracy (hate to use that word!), but they definitely slowly created this world of financial slavery by debt.

PabloMack

Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2013, 05:17:25 pm
I do not think a couple of unelected guys invented this way of life deliberately as part of some conspiracy (hate to use that word!), but they definitely slowly created this world of financial slavery by debt.


"Neither a borrower nor a lender be" It's not a new concept.

Tangled-Universe

Quote from: PabloMack on May 08, 2013, 05:13:54 pm
Quote from: cyphyr on May 08, 2013, 04:43:09 pm
It was the international corrupt banking cartels manipulation of interest rates on an unimaginable (this "unimaginable" bit is part of the problem) level.


Are you saying they set the rates too high for borrowers or too low for depositers (or both)? All I know is that banks charge 29% and more on credit cards while I get next to zero as a depositer. Almost all of the interest the banks should be paying me to use my money they are spending trying to get more cash out of me by printing up "offers" and buying postage for tons of unwanted mail that I just throw in the trash. I don't borrow money anymore because I would just get screwed. Perhaps I don't complain a lot about this because we live way below our means and pay as we go.


No what you're talking about doesn't even compare to what they consider pocket money.

What Richard is referring to is how Banks abuse Libor to manipulate trillions (yes that's 13 digits) of dollars on a daily basis.

See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qZWDemn_njg#!

Enjoy!

PabloMack

May 08, 2013, 05:33:48 pm #50 Last Edit: May 08, 2013, 05:35:26 pm by PabloMack
Quote from: Tangled-Universe on May 08, 2013, 05:07:06 pmthe do-good


I don't know how you use the term "do-gooder" but in the US it is derogatory. This was taken from dictionary.com:

"a well-intentioned but naive and often ineffectual social or political reformer."

It says exactly what I meant.

TheBadger

May 09, 2013, 05:58:21 am #51 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 06:49:20 am by TheBadger
It has been eaten.

PabloMack

May 09, 2013, 08:44:01 am #52 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 11:33:25 am by PabloMack
Quote from: TheBadger on May 09, 2013, 05:58:21 am
Papa?


The selfish gene wants to deceive and cuckold you (and your wife).

TheBadger

Are you calling my wife a whore Pablo? Perhaps you should clarify your joke.
It has been eaten.

TheBadger

It has been eaten.

PabloMack

May 09, 2013, 11:24:08 am #55 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 11:30:23 am by PabloMack
Quote from: TheBadger on May 09, 2013, 09:10:23 amAre you calling my wife a whore Pablo? Perhaps you should clarify your joke.


The term "Cuckold" comes from the Cuckoo laying its egg in another bird's nest (always a different species. Cuckoos don't build nests). NEITHER of the surrogate parents is biologically the parent of the chick. The biological mother of the chick never sees the chick hatch and the biological father never even sees the egg. So BOTH foster parents are cuckolded. This is in line with the true behavior of the Eurasian Cuckoo. (BTW American Cuckoos are not brood parasites, no implied generalization intended) This is what the woman in the video is promoting. She wants to lay her baby in your nest so she can get busy making her next illegitimate to lay in another host's nest.

Naturally, the ignorance of the man who coined the term misunderstood what was actually happening with the Cuckoo and its host species. He assumed the self-centered paranoid approach and feared that he would be raising another man's child that is still his wife's child. Sure this happens, but it isn't what the Cuckoo does. A male Cuckoo doesn't mate with its host species females.

TheBadger

May 09, 2013, 11:42:24 am #56 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 11:44:05 am by TheBadger
lol. Well thats more than I knew. But I knew what you meant.
Your unusual knowledge of ornithology aside, the term is also a nasty deviant fetish.

I think your a little off though anyway. I think she is less interested in me raising her kids and more interested in making sure I don't raise my kids with any hope of knowing about things that she disagrees with.

This women is not at all concerned with "raising" children. She just wants to make sure their indoctrinated into her lunatic world view.

It has been eaten.

PabloMack

Quote from: TheBadger on May 09, 2013, 11:42:24 am
This women is not at all concerned with "raising" children. She just wants to make sure their indoctrinated into her lunatic world view.


Cuckoos (both genders) don't have to be concerned with raising children but (at least) the females have to be concerned with deception. They are stealthy and are very careful to sneak their eggs into the nest while the host parents are not looking. They fool the host into thinking that the cuckoo egg is their own (sound familiar from listening to the video?). Chances are that neither she nor the cuckoo really understands WHY they do what they do. How successful would she be in changing your behavior if she laid it all out on the table in plain view as it really is? Indoctrination into her lunatic world confuses (deception) her listeners and so she and others like her can continue her programmed behavior as cuckoo analogs in human society. They even use the government to promote their sinister behavior. Spread their own genes but get you to do all of the work and replace yours with their own. Hmmm...that's similar to how viruses work too. Mass Action is not easy to understand because you "can't see the forest for the trees". But just think about the little steps in Cuckoo behavior that brought about the species becoming a brood parasite. Mass Action happens in societies too.

Thanks Badger for the video.

TheBadger

May 09, 2013, 01:18:40 pm #58 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 01:20:38 pm by TheBadger
Quote...concerned with deception. They are stealthy and are very careful to sneak their eggs into the nest while the host parents are not looking...


But thats the thing, there is no deception, no conspiracy. No one is hiding anything, and it is all out on the table.
conspiracy requires a secret to be kept. But everyone sees everything. Everyone clearly articulates what they want and how their going to get it.

The problem is the "masses" don't care, don't understand the dangers, or just don't want to be bothered. And everyone knows it, including the masses.
People are not trying to figure out whats going on, they are picking sides.

It has been eaten.

PabloMack

May 09, 2013, 02:05:30 pm #59 Last Edit: May 09, 2013, 04:51:09 pm by PabloMack
Quote from: TheBadger on May 09, 2013, 01:18:40 pm
there is no deception, no conspiracy. No one is hiding anything, and it is all out on the table.


Does there have to be a conspiracy for there to be deception? Did the Cuckoos conspire as a species to become brood parasites? Where do they hold their annual convention? As I said, I don't think this woman understands her motives. She is not very smart. How many of her relatives were raised and fed by taxpayer money? How many had teen pregnancies and were turned over to the state to raise them? If not many, is this what she is unconsciously after? ...to let her and her kind be irresponsible and make the taxpayer deal with the messes they create (and ultimately replace the taxpayers with their own cuckoos)? How many responsible taxpayers were so burdended with taxes that they decided they couldn't afford to have their own children because so much of their earnings are taxed away to feed and raise the illegitimate children of irresponsible people? What better way to get rid of your political opponents than to breed them out of existance? Sure, in the video she talks about "your children". But if she gets you into that way of thinking, you will soon be considering everyone else's children to be your own children, just like the Cuckoo. Before long, your resources are so drained away by the government raising everyone else's (illegitimate?) children that you don't have enough to justify having your own children. And who is going to watch this woman after the camera is turned off while she sneaks away to find a government program to pay for her illegitimate child's upbringing?  Is all of this really on the table? Where in the video does she talk about all of this? Its not a conspiracy. Its Mass Action. Humans are given far too much credit for having the intelligence to plan the failures they cause. You don't need a conspiracy for human failure. Chaos can do that on its own.

What I didn't tell you is that the newly hatched Cuckoo pushes the other legitimate eggs out of the nest. The host species is gradually replaced by the parasite and its resources are used to promote the parasite. Cuckoos don't raise children because they have lost the ability. All they know is how to make babies and get others to raise them.

Anyway, I've said enough. I don't want to beat a dead horse. The analogy isn't without flaws.