Started by Harvey Birdman, June 22, 2007, 09:02:17 am
Quote from: Will on July 09, 2007, 03:34:51 pmI was replying to calico, sorry was that directed at me? I'm so confused at the moment...
Quote from: calico on July 09, 2007, 03:54:08 pmThe only reason we went there was because of the nukes. I was there. This was Bush's reason for going over there, since he couldn't pull the "Al Queda" card.
Quote from: calico on July 09, 2007, 03:58:07 pmAny government can be screwed and a democracy can be screwed as easily as any other form of government. There is no "free market" in the U.S. It's nearly (almost all) monopolized by a handful of wealthy, including the media. That doesn't mean that everyone in the U.S. is evil, but with businessmen in the White House they aren't looking out for anyone but themselves.
Quote from: calico on July 09, 2007, 04:03:05 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam - do a search for heavy siltation.http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y1997E/y1997e1c.htm - we get our oxygen (fresh air) from treeshttp://www.worldwildlife.org/endangered/ - a list
Quote from: Will on July 09, 2007, 05:15:36 pmopopopop keep it with in the confounds of the topic, please edit your post to add something referring to global waring or a midrid of other topics previously stated. Thank and please come again .Edit: "Guest 05:11:39 PM Nothing, or nothing you can see" ow But now I'm curious.
Quote from: Will on July 09, 2007, 05:39:57 pmwell frankly there is that entire thing with the CFC and that hole in the Ozone but apparently that is slowly recovering which is good. I think there are global changes but Al Gore did stretch the true in some areas of his movie and told the straight truth about some things too. This is just my opinion but from what I've seen just happening around my area there are major global effects, whether completely causes by us or not at all is what is debatable. For example last year it was two warm for bears to hibernate (up here in New Hampshire) thats pretty bad, the thing about localized change is true but since most of our pollution comes from the west there is an effect over very large regions of the globe. Thanks for explaining the communism thing though (takes off dictator hat)
Quote from: calico on July 09, 2007, 04:11:50 pmGore's film isn't based upon junk science.But, have you seen it? He uses facts and he doesn't lie about the facts.As far as what we're contributing to the atmosphere, I'm certain cars aren't as bad as those smoke stacks I see blowing up shit every day or how about the nuclear testing - what does that do to our atmosphere? Are you kidding me that we can just blow up little miniature explosions like on the sun (sun spots) and it doesn't affect the Earth's thin atmosphere? Air / water pollution and nuclear explosions are exact examples of man destroying the Earth. Does this mean that there won't be an Earth left? No, I don't believe so. Does it mean that human life and well being will be a rare commodity on the Earth, if we don't pull our heads out of our fairy tales? I believe it does.Semantics shouldn't enter into this argument. A simple question of "Are we destroying the Earth by polluting it and blowing it up?" is enough. We could be spending our time and energy on something valuable rather than ruining what we touch. But, who really cares?Quote from: nvseal on July 09, 2007, 03:07:57 pmGore's film (among other things) is covered in junk science and shady connections - which is what I said in my first post. Even scientists who agree with his basic thesis (global warming is manmade) disagree with his evidence.
Quote from: nvseal on July 09, 2007, 03:07:57 pmGore's film (among other things) is covered in junk science and shady connections - which is what I said in my first post. Even scientists who agree with his basic thesis (global warming is manmade) disagree with his evidence.
Quote from: Will on July 09, 2007, 06:03:01 pmOh I read it, it has a lot of really good point many of which I agreed with. But here is what my quick search turned up, I followed a link in the archive and it took me a a summery about an article in the local newspaper, not as creditable as I originally thought (though, to its credit its a pretty conservative newspaper and any coverage about the topic is pretty amazing). I did dig up a NOAA newsletter though taking about the abnormally warm winter: here http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm . Yea so basically my information for the bears is apparently just an assumption but I do know that we to get pollution from the west, which means Chicago and the like though not California or anything that far away.Edit: el nino interesting...
Quote from: Will on July 09, 2007, 06:22:22 pmWell they showed us a chart in Biology class that showed that we are a lot higher then any other time in history (that they have been able to see) I think we have surpassed the other points in time with abnormal highs. This is not to say it necessarily our fault but there is something defiantly different about the time we are in. At any rate I know the ski industry didn't do too well last year (my uncle is a salesman)