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Offline rolland1013

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FEATURE REQUESTS
« on: October 03, 2018, 07:03:29 PM »
Is there a general feature request discussion on the forum?  If not I'd like to start one.  Here's my wishes for future versions of Terragen:

1. An interactive sculpt tool for shaping terrain.
2. Erosion controls - similar to World Machine.
3. FBX and/or Alembic import ability.
4. Import ROTATION offset for importing animated cameras.
5. V-Ray shader support.
6. Realistic water animation
7. More water types; i.e. ocean, lake, stream, river, rapids, waterfall, etc.

Thanks

Offline rolland1013

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2018, 07:17:19 PM »
I remembered another one, I think it would be great if you could sculpt the shape and size of clouds.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2018, 12:33:04 AM »
Yep, lots of good ideas here. Many already suggested, which we keep in a private issue tracker. We're listening and will implement as much as we can over time. I can tell you we are almost certainly never going to support Vray shaders though. Other than that it's all probably fair game.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2018, 08:04:33 AM »
Sculpting is at the top of my list too.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2018, 11:53:39 AM »
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Erosion controls - similar to World Machine.

Danniis Classic Erosion plugin is great - check it out if you haven't already.

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FBX and/or Alembic import ability.

Definitely Alembic - not so much FBX

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2018, 04:32:03 PM »
I know I mentioned this somewhere else, but image planes!!!

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2018, 06:05:01 PM »
Alembic/MDD, whatever it takes to get displacement caches into Terragen. Think wind displacement for SpeedTree. Complete with instancing and offset capability.

Multiple objects in single population, randomizing their distribution


VDB in/out (I know Boss Fairclough is working on this)

Graph Editor could use an upgrade. It's kind of painful in there.

Are there any render functions that could be offloaded to the GPU?

Be nice to have render rez previews rendered out of the RTP for shot placeholders in the edit.

Alpha channels are sometimes not pure white. Comp gets fussy about that.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2018, 07:41:00 PM »
  • Node macros(similar to World Machine) with customizable in/output ports. Also allow nesting. I believe macros will attract more users. Clips is not what I'm looking for.
  • Allow every parameter where possible to be connected via nodes. Allow nodes that expect a single scalar value(such as Noise scale/seed) to be typed into the fields of that node without the need to create constants.
  • Dual CPU support (sometimes it works, but mostly it doesn't on my machine).
  • More noise types.
  • Load a heightfield and specify the dimensions in meters. Now it guesses the size by looking at the pixel resolution. Not sure if this is already possible.
  • More value remapping nodes such as a bezier curve editor. This will allow fractals to be less generic looking and art directed.
  • Populations workflow isn't as nice and fast as Clarisse pointcloud/scattering workflow. I'd love to see a pointcloud based system. Sometimes you want to scatter stuff in a volume, like meteors. The only way to fake that is scattering the population on a deformed grid.
  • Better way to visualize the current node. The view of the small shader preview window cannot be translated.

My personal opinion regarding Terragen: I find Terragen artist unfriendly. You often repeat yourself, can quickly create a big spaghetti mess and must have deep technical knowledge.
You need more developers. The pace of development is quite slow. You're lucky E-on software does such a poor job, but nowadays I see many people switching to Clarisse from Vue. These could have been Terragen users.

I do love that VDB import/export is underway and can't wait to use it in other applications such as Clarisse.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2018, 07:44:04 PM »
I always wondered how sculpting would ever work in Terragen. I don't really see it being workable without a huuuuuuge overhaul of the preview system. I mean, think of working with just the painted shader.

In general it's addition would put the system requirements into the flagship hardware realm.
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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2018, 07:47:05 PM »
add:

being able to translate the little preview window somewhere other than the world origin...

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2018, 01:44:38 PM »
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being able to translate the little preview window somewhere other than the world origin...

That is a fair point. This is something I've never requested yet bitched about to colleagues regularly.

That being said, you say it's artist unfriendly... this year has been my introduction to Houdini. You go learn that now without swearing. Go on. Off you pop.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2018, 02:15:09 PM »

Load a heightfield and specify the dimensions in meters. Now it guesses the size by looking at the pixel resolution. Not sure if this is already possible.


This is likely an error in the file itself. Heightfields in .ter format, as well as GeoTIFF .img files contain metadata with heightfield dimensions.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2018, 04:38:23 PM »
That being said, you say it's artist unfriendly... this year has been my introduction to Houdini. You go learn that now without swearing. Go on. Off you pop.

I also have been learning and using Houdini the past year and Houdini gives you many ways to debug your scene. Houdini's network view is a joy to use compared to other node based applications. If you feel it being too complex I highly recommend you to learn some basic development skills to understand how data is stored and how it flows.
That said I agree with it not being artist friendly.

I don't think it's fair to compare a complex application that is mostly TD/VFX oriented with a simple terrain design tool. In my feature request list I posted a few ideas on how to make Terragen easier to use. Value remapping is a very important feature which is used in many terrain design tools. It allows you to artistically remap values and allows you to create new shapes quite easily.

Below you can see some simple examples on 2 basic noises that got remapped with a bezier curve editor:



Now have fun doing the same thing with blue nodes.

"Go on. Off you pop."

This is likely an error in the file itself. Heightfields in .ter format, as well as GeoTIFF .img files contain metadata with heightfield dimensions.

I still think size information in files that don't follow the metadata standard should not be derived from the resolution. Let the user decide what the size is. World Creator currently has some issues exporting out large files with many file types and because of that I have to use PNG16.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2018, 04:23:47 PM »
Scale maps:  Controlling the scale of .obj populations with a painted shader or image map.  An even better version of this would allow you to also use the min-max scale function within the population's parameters.  So your populations would still have a random scale, but also would allow you to control areas of smaller and larger scaled objects within the same population.

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Re: FEATURE REQUESTS
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2018, 02:10:34 AM »
I still think size information in files that don't follow the metadata standard should not be derived from the resolution. Let the user decide what the size is. World Creator currently has some issues exporting out large files with many file types and because of that I have to use PNG16.

You can resize the heightfield with a Heightfield Resize operator, but we should probably duplicate that function on the heightfield load itself.
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