PRISM

[AP]

Clare Daly is my Hero!

http://youtu.be/S5oJPLy3cmY

[TheBadger]

WOW!

I'll tell you Im not a big fan of listening to other governments talk crap about mine, but that was rather entertaining! Mostly I was hoping to hear regular people in Europe speak against Obama and what a total and complete lying hypocrite he is.
But that will do I guess 

I do have to say that woman has huge testicles though! I cant pretend to know anything about Irish Governance and politics, but I gather that the  lady in the video is a member of Parliament. And that she is speaking directly to the leader of Ireland?  What I wouldn't give to hear a senator or congressman (not on the campaign trail) speak to Obama that way. Directly and matter of fact.

I like her.

[AP]

That speech was very nice, indeed.

In other news, this video is very important to anyone who wants to truly open there mind to it.

http://youtu.be/33PX6qy7gyw

[efflux]

A lot of things that were called conspiracy theory are now pretty much fact. Chemtrails for example.

Bilderberg group met in London and Michael Meacher brought that up in Parliament. Ken Clarke had to answer. He's in charge of Bilderberg steering group. Bilderberg goes right back to ex Nazis. They had the idea of bringing in the European Union by stealth. Ken Clarke wants secret courts in the UK. All that stuff about Gay marriage that filled the media a few months ago. That covered up the bringing in of secret courts. Ken Clarke is totally into a United Europe. Join the dots and there is conspiracy but it's not theory.

As for City Of London. It's a separate City State like the Vatican and District Of Columbia in the US. These are three centres of total corruption and linked because the Roman Empire is the source of this system. They moved to Venice, then the Netherlands (I think), then London and now the US. They run the monetary system which is totally in opposition to the US credit system started by Alexander Hamilton. Who was shot by Aaron Burr:

"Burr founded the Bank of the Manhattan Company, which in later years was absorbed into the Chase Manhattan Bank, which in turn became part of JPMorgan Chase."

Jamie Dimon (chairman, president and chief executive officer of JPMorgan Chase) has the guns that killed Hamilton on the wall in the anteroom to his office in proud recognition of the fact that a founder of J P Morgan murdered one of the founding fathers of America and the person who essentially started the revolution against that banking cartel that goes right back to City Of London and Rome.

But this is all conspiracy theory?

[efflux]

As for the British Royal family. they aren't even British. They made the Windsor name up. Their real name was Saxe-Coburg and Gotha but they had to hide the fact that they were German during WW1. Edward VIII abdicated supposedly because he married a divorcee. They went on their honeymoon to Nazi Germany. Even after the War, Edward Duke of "Windsor' still totally supported what the Nazis did. Here he is with Hitler and inspecting the SS just before the war:




They went there totally against advice of the British government.

There are more photos of the current Queens husband Prince Philip (Battenberg) with Nazis. His best mate Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld (Bilderberg founder) was actually ex SS.

The Royal Family are totally tied in with the bankers. The Queen heads up the City Of London Corporation. Recently she stepped in to make sure the right to make the final decision to go to war was still with her and not Parliament. Notice this stuff about Cameron at the moment and how he might bypass Parliament to go to war with Syria. He does this by going to the Queen. Defeating Syria a must be step for the Oligarchical masterplan. The trouble is these people are utterly insane. Quite literally. The Queen had cousins in a mental asylum. They are all inbred and psychopathic.

[efflux]

The point about Germany is that they have on several occasions become a serious industrial power including being influenced by the US so that has to be put down by the Oligarchs. Hitler would have got nowhere without total support from London and Wall Street.

[efflux]

J P Morgan:

"On reflection, the collusion of Chase Bank (now J.P. Morgan Chase), with the Nazis isn't so surprising. One of its major shareholders, J.D. Rockefeller, had directly funded Nazi eugenics experiments before the war. Between 1936 and 1941, Chase and other US banks helped the Germans raise over $20 million in dollar exchange, netting over $1.2 million in commission — of which Chase pocketed a cool $500,000. That was a lot of money at the time. The fact that the German marks used to fund the operation came from Jews who had fled Nazi Germany didn't seem to bother Chase — in fact they upped their business after Kristallnacht (the night Jews throughout Nazi Germany and Austria were systematically attacked by mobs in 1938). Chase also froze the accounts of French Jews in occupied France before the Nazis had even gotten around to asking them to."

They tell you what they are planning. Just read the documents:

http://am.jpmorgan.co.uk/institutional/_documents/mi-ecb-long-road-mkr-lu-en.pdf

There's masses of documents like that.

Who's running this show? The very people that caused the problems. They helped fix the books of several countries to get them into the EU trap.

Bail ins are now law. It's in the US Dodd-Frank Bill (30,000 pages) as well. That does the opposite of Glass Steagall.

Creditors (that's anyone with bank deposit now called unsecured creditors) will be wiped out or become shareholders. Of course those shares should end up worthless but then some banker will pick it up from you for peanuts. Other financial institutions that are creditors in a failing financial institution will not be part of the bail in because of course that could cause financial instability. So in essence they get bailed out via more direct theft but bail outs will also have to continue. Also, under Dodd-Frank in particular, you can get a prison sentence for disclosing that an institution is in any trouble. That's so that creditors money can be immediately stole without warning.

Cyprus was just a test run.

The arguments in favour of this by banks are cuckoo land. If a bank is about to collapse and hence the creditors are wiped out how can that be made into a viable business again? It's only viable for bankers who take all the assets and carry on. Where are these bankers? Mostly in the City Of London. Where were these new rules for the US and EU sorted out? At the 2009 London G20 summit where all the participants were spied on to make sure the went along with it. You have to shut down these banks totally and put bankers out of jobs. Just protect the commercial banks not investment banks. Exactly as in Glass Steagall.

Will bail ins cover for the quadrillions in debt?


J P Morgan and the likes are no different from their previous incarnations that supported Hitler.

[efflux]

The bankers are bankrolling total facsism now just like did in the 1930s with Bank Of England and BIS who bankrolled Hitler.

In the US, markets rocket up on bad economic news and turn own on good economic news because the worse it gets the more bankers make. The more the real economy is destroyed the more bankers make and that's built into law now.

9/11? You think that was some terrorists in some caves in Afghanistan? No, that was a British instigated operation through their allies Saudi Arabia. They knew the US couldn't respond correctly because the US is supplied oil from Saudi Arabia. Instead the US is now owned by the Banking cartel centred in London and their Wall Street offshoot.

[FrankB]

I think that's some crazy bull, Efflux.
Of course, based on my own assumptions about how things work politically.
On top of that, I find it strange, far fetched and peculiar, how this thread went from debating PRISM all the way down to how the UK Rules the world, and even digging up old Nazi stuff.

[zaxxon]

Well.. this certainly takes Planetside's vision of 'World Building' to another dimension  .  However, while following this thread I certainly can't discount anyone's opinion of what is happening, or how the current state of international affairs came to be. It seems to me that the more 'powerless' we feel as individuals the more radical our idea's of what conspiracies are truly operative in the affairs of the world. As an American steeped in the philosophies of the authors and influences that led to the social contract called the United States Constitution, I am profoundly dismayed once again at the excesses of power, greed and corruption prevalent in the good ole USA. Obama thinks the NSA surveillance culture is "transparent": even the Russians and the Chinese call 'BS' on that one.  However, maybe this is what Obama really meant by "transparent".

http://www.technologyreview.com/view/415539/wireless-network-modded-to-see-through-walls/

The advent of this type of technology probably spells the doom of privacy as we've known it, it's hard to imagine that in the name of 'security' these types of  techniques won't be used to further enforce some version of authoritarian rule.  Indeed, most of the 20 somethings I know currently deed their privacy to the internet via Facebook and Twitter, et al, for all the world to see.  A willing generation of unwitting dupes is at hand for our brave new world. Depressing to say the least.

[TheBadger]

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@Zaxxon

Well said. Also, that is terrifying stuff.

[efflux]

I think that's some crazy bull, Efflux.
Of course, based on my own assumptions about how things work politically.
On top of that, I find it strange, far fetched and peculiar, how this thread went from debating PRISM all the way down to how the UK Rules the world, and even digging up old Nazi stuff.

Yeah, I know the nazi stuff is probably annoying if you are German and Hitler is always used as the ultra example tyrant but the way I see it this is an all over corruption, it's just that certain countries end up at the brunt end of it.

As for 9/11, most of the funding came from Saudi Arabia. All that stuff was of course blanked out at the commission report. Saudi Arabia, Israel and Britain work hand in hand. Terrorist slush funds were set up in the eighties by Margaret Thatcher. Remember that dodgy covered up arrangement where Saudi Arabia got the planes cheap from Tony Blair. They didn't get them cheap at all. The funds were laundered from oil gifts into various dodgy funds for such things as terrorism. Also, the Bush family are utter British Empire lackeys. Apparently George Bush senior got royal knight of the garter for his service to the British Empire after gulf war one. After 9/11 Rudy Gulliani got the same. Seems that Colin Powell and General Norman Schwarzkopf are the same. I can't see reason to see why it's not true. I don't see any debunking of it and it's been standard British practice for centuries. This is completely unlawful under the US constitution.

As for Britain running the world. The City Of London absolutely runs the world financial system. It also runs all of international law. Both these things are absolutely modeled from the British Empire system. This is why the EU are bringing in bail ins where the banks will charge levys on deposits (which you'll be paying for) but not in City of London or Wall Street because they run the show and will be able to easily do a Cyprus on any European country with these totally fascist laws in place. It is absolute pure fascism that Mussolini couldn't have dreamt of. Mussolini bailed out banks by the way.

[efflux]

You ain't seen anything yet in the invasion of privacy either. Smart Meters? The UK government has secretly put in a law that disallows power companies from removing smart meters if customers request it. This is after the public smokescreen of the roll out being delayed. So why is the government so into this? It's not so much the power companies. It's because the smart meters will allow absolute tracking of everything you are doing in your own home. Literally they will know what's in your fridge because even your food will have chips on the packaging that the smart meter can track. These chips are already in stuff. All conspiracy theory? It's happening now. There is no theory.

Zbigniew Brzezinski (master global strategist):

"Shortly, the public will be unable to reason or think for themselves. They'll only be able to parrot the information they've been given on the previous night's news."

It seems we are already past that. People can't think at all.

[TheBadger]

Anyone here read "Der Spiegel"?

Personally, I think its a little funny. Europe's left worked so hard to help get Obama elected, and this kind of stuff is your reward.

Because you know, as much competition and jokes and insults as there are, Americans (generally speaking) think highly of Europeans. So when America saw so many europeans cheering and praising then Senator Obama, well I am sure it had some effect.
I remember that the leftist press couldn't show Germans cheering for Obama enough. They showed that stuff like ten times a day for the entire election.

Im not saying that Romney would have been any different. Im saying thats my point. Frankly, I don't know who I disliked more in the election.
But at least with Romney, we pretty much knew what we would be getting. hmmmm. Actually, Obama turned out to be nearly exactly what his detractors said he would be.


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HAHHAHH AHHAHH AHA AHHA AHAHAHA AHAh Ahhhhhh      Oh well, I guess were all in the same sinking boat now.

OK sorry, just needed to share some of my despair. At this point, as a protestant, I would almost rather have to deal with a Pope, rather than these hypocrites in DC.
But heres a little comic relief to lighten the mood. (Probably not)

National security advisor: "Good morning Mr. President"

POTUS: morning, Tom. Whats in the brief today?"

NSA: "Well Sir, The enemy is still trying to kill us"

POTUS: "Thats to bad. Anything interesting?"

NSA: "Well yes Sir. There is. It turns out (Insert your name here) was having phone sex with (insert name of loved one here), and he got her to send him some nudes!"

POTUS: HAHHA ahhh thats great. Nice job.
"But thats it?"

NSA: Yes Sir, when we collect billions of emails it takes forever to sort through it all. Anyway, we don't know what we are looking for. I mean, if we did, we would have stopped Benghazi and Boston, right?

POTUS: "Oh H haha ha. Thats true Tom."
Well keep up the good work now.

NSA: "Will do Sir."

(There is no smily face of a suicide to use, so Ill just use this one  )